Mahomes new deal

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby mild » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 pm

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Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:15 pm
Of course. I just don't see the reasoning behind it being a "good thing" for the offense. I still think Mahomes is QB1 in Dynasty, and not particularly close. If they let Jones walk, that money could have been put into the OL, for example, which would be a better addition in pure fantasy terms.
You'll just have to excuse the Chiefs for trying to build an actual football team instead of a fantasy one... :lol:

I think Hardman might be a little bit special, personally. He's got special speed, and impending opportunity - at the very least.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby StripesOfKC » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:25 pm

mild wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:15 pm
Of course. I just don't see the reasoning behind it being a "good thing" for the offense. I still think Mahomes is QB1 in Dynasty, and not particularly close. If they let Jones walk, that money could have been put into the OL, for example, which would be a better addition in pure fantasy terms.
You'll just have to excuse the Chiefs for trying to build an actual football team instead of a fantasy one... :lol:

I think Hardman might be a little bit special, personally. He's got special speed, and impending opportunity - at the very least.
I hated that pick when we made it, but he did seem impressive in some ways as a rookie

I just can't imagine him ever having the route tree to be a consistent fantasy option--a decent real life player sure but you need volume for fantasy. With Watkins (who while frustrating is a better WR IMO who has shown up when we needed it most--2018 and 2019 AFC Champ, Super Bowl) returning I am not sure he has impending opportunity

Good gadget player but if we had picked DK...
Team 1

8 Team PPR
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 3 FLEX, 1 TE, 1 D, 1 K
2019-20 Champion
QB: Burrow, Tannehill, Stafford
RB: Jonathan Taylor, D'Andre Swift,, CEH, Dobbins, Damien Harris, Melvin Gordon, Pollard, Cohen, Tevin Coleman
WR: AJ Brown, McLaurin, Justin Jefferson, Julio, DJ Moore, Allen Robinson, Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, DJ Chark, Bryan Edwards
TE: Kittle, Hockenson, Gesicki, Trautman
D: Steelers
K: Lutz

2021: 1.6
2022: 3 1sts, 1 2nd, 4 3rds, 2 4ths
2023: 2 1sts, 3 2nds, 2 3rd, 3 4ths

Team 2

10 Team 2QB PPR
2020-21 Runner Up
QB: Mahomes, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Dalton
RB: CEH, James Robinson, Kareem Hunt, Zack Moss, Tevin Coleman
WR: Diggs, ARob, Golladay, Lamb, Higgins, Shenault Kupp, Mooney, Gabriel Davis
TE: Fant, Trautman
D: Panthers
K: Blankenship
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2021: 1.9, 2.4, 2.9, 3.9
2022: 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby Cameron Giles » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:00 pm

KC probably thinks they can draft skill position and Mahomes can elevate them. The only player on that offense who I think they need to re-sign when the time comes is Kelce. Hill is good, but you can find a good WR more than a really good TE.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby sugbear65 » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:13 pm

It’s all fine and dandy to speculate on the impact of a mega deal like this one, it makes for a good conversation. But I think the reality is he will probably be angling for a new deal in 4 or 5 years anyway.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:44 pm

StripesOfKC wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:25 pm
mild wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:15 pm
Of course. I just don't see the reasoning behind it being a "good thing" for the offense. I still think Mahomes is QB1 in Dynasty, and not particularly close. If they let Jones walk, that money could have been put into the OL, for example, which would be a better addition in pure fantasy terms.
You'll just have to excuse the Chiefs for trying to build an actual football team instead of a fantasy one... :lol:

I think Hardman might be a little bit special, personally. He's got special speed, and impending opportunity - at the very least.
I hated that pick when we made it, but he did seem impressive in some ways as a rookie

I just can't imagine him ever having the route tree to be a consistent fantasy option--a decent real life player sure but you need volume for fantasy. With Watkins (who while frustrating is a better WR IMO who has shown up when we needed it most--2018 and 2019 AFC Champ, Super Bowl) returning I am not sure he has impending opportunity

Good gadget player but if we had picked DK...
:shock: yeah, that would be scary. I agree, Hardman is a gadget player. He was drafted partly due to the fact they considered him the best returner in the draft. He does not look like a WR that will ever be a consistent option IMO. I think once Watkins goes, they will add another player to fill that role.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby Valhalla » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:46 pm

sugbear65 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:13 pm
It’s all fine and dandy to speculate on the impact of a mega deal like this one, it makes for a good conversation. But I think the reality is he will probably be angling for a new deal in 4 or 5 years anyway.
I believe his contract really takes takes off in years 4 and 5...

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby TheBelgian » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:00 pm

Valhalla wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:46 pm
sugbear65 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:13 pm
It’s all fine and dandy to speculate on the impact of a mega deal like this one, it makes for a good conversation. But I think the reality is he will probably be angling for a new deal in 4 or 5 years anyway.
I believe his contract really takes takes off in years 4 and 5...
If I'm reading it correctly:

2020: $5.3M
2021: $24.8M
2022: $31.4M
2023: $42.4M
2024: $39.9M
2025: $41.9M
2026: $41.9M
2027: $59.9M
2028: $44.4M
2029: $44.9M
2030: $50.4M
2031: $52.4M

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:54 pm

TheBelgian wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:00 pm
Valhalla wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:46 pm
sugbear65 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:13 pm
It’s all fine and dandy to speculate on the impact of a mega deal like this one, it makes for a good conversation. But I think the reality is he will probably be angling for a new deal in 4 or 5 years anyway.
I believe his contract really takes takes off in years 4 and 5...
If I'm reading it correctly:

2020: $5.3M
2021: $24.8M
2022: $31.4M
2023: $42.4M
2024: $39.9M
2025: $41.9M
2026: $41.9M
2027: $59.9M
2028: $44.4M
2029: $44.9M
2030: $50.4M
2031: $52.4M
This is accurate, so he's not going to cost an absurd amount until 2027, and he's a bargain for the next 3 years. This really was an excellent deal for both sides. Even with that one huge year, they can either restructure around that time to lower the Cap number or just set up their salaries so they can afford to bite the built on the massive number for one year. With the way salaries are going, $45-50M in '28-'31 won't be all that outlandish.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:44 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:54 pm
TheBelgian wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:00 pm
Valhalla wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:46 pm


I believe his contract really takes takes off in years 4 and 5...
If I'm reading it correctly:

2020: $5.3M
2021: $24.8M
2022: $31.4M
2023: $42.4M
2024: $39.9M
2025: $41.9M
2026: $41.9M
2027: $59.9M
2028: $44.4M
2029: $44.9M
2030: $50.4M
2031: $52.4M
This is accurate, so he's not going to cost an absurd amount until 2027, and he's a bargain for the next 3 years. This really was an excellent deal for both sides. Even with that one huge year, they can either restructure around that time to lower the Cap number or just set up their salaries so they can afford to bite the built on the massive number for one year. With the way salaries are going, $45-50M in '28-'31 won't be all that outlandish.
We'll see how the economy does in the next few years. With this virus wreaking havoc, I am not convinced that salaries will continue to escalate at the current rate is has been going in recent years. Next year the cap will most likely freeze or even go down for the first time in a while, and depending on the length and severity of what happens, we could see that continue for several years, or at least see the rise slow down considerably.


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