Cam Newton Thread - Back to Carolina

[OhCruelestRanter]

Mr. Dramatic can’t equate the valid comparison of Randy ‘leaving Oakland on a career low note’ Moss to Cam ‘leaving Carolina on a low note’ Newton, or the general concept of once elite players going to NE and fading. Not tough concepts, but thanks for the morning chuckle. Normally I have to wait on my wife for that stuff.

Oh, if you think that was dramatic, please, I can not recommend this thread highly enough: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=124065

Start to finish, it is absolutely one of the most entertaining threads on the entire site. Happy 4th everybody.

[Orenthal Shames]

Poor Yeti, who'd have thought such a reclusive creature would be so easily provoked.

[Valhalla]

IMO Cam isn’t Cam if he only has his arm back. He’s truly unique as a rushing threat QB...and I just don’t think any passing efficiency will be there without that threat to run and threat to keep shaking guys off him.
It’s not quite the same, but remember how Culpepper was an MVP...then had his knee taken out...and then was nothing when he lost his running ability? Well I feel that Cam is a better QB (and part of Culpepper’s MVP was Moss) but Cam was a better runner than Culpepper. Him losing the elite aspect of his running...would be devastating imo. For the fun of seeing what he can still do, I hope he’s recovered from the Lisfranc well and is an athletic mover of a QB still, but I’m not going to bank on it.

[Pac_Eddy]

IMO Cam isn’t Cam if he only has his arm back. He’s truly unique as a rushing threat QB...and I just don’t think any passing efficiency will be there without that threat to run and threat to keep shaking guys off him.
It’s not quite the same, but remember how Culpepper was an MVP...then had his knee taken out...and then was nothing when he lost his running ability? Well I feel that Cam is a better QB (and part of Culpepper’s MVP was Moss) but Cam was a better runner than Culpepper. Him losing the elite aspect of his running...would be devastating imo. For the fun of seeing what he can still do, I hope he’s recovered from the Lisfranc well and is an athletic mover of a QB still, but I’m not going to bank on it.

Good post and I agree on Cam.

I think Culpepper was a better passer than Cam though. He had a monster year and a half without Moss if I recall correctly.
And yeah, that knee injury destroyed him. Never was the same, but also never played with the same caliber team.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Poor Yeti, who'd have thought such a reclusive creature would be so easily provoked.

It’s ok. Bumbles bounce.

[TheNuts]

Mr. Dramatic can’t equate the valid comparison of Randy ‘leaving Oakland on a career low note’ Moss to Cam ‘leaving Carolina on a low note’ Newton, or the general concept of once elite players going to NE and fading. Not tough concepts, but thanks for the morning chuckle. Normally I have to wait on my wife for that stuff.

Oh, if you think that was dramatic, please, I can not recommend this thread highly enough: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=124065

Start to finish, it is absolutely one of the most entertaining threads on the entire site. Happy 4th everybody.

It reminds me of Antoine Smith playing for Mike Smith. That dude was a walking touchdown. And yet he wasted away on that team. I remember when the team finally started to give him some respect and then he broke his leg or something. I was so pissed. I wanted to see what that guy could do with Darren Sproles like touches.

[thebeast]

Tom Brady is the GOAT without question, but I don't really think it was his talent. I think it was the system.

Bookmark this post. I strongly believe that a 31-year-old healthy Cam Netwon is >>> 2019 Brady and this is a QB improvement for the Pats.

[Servo]

We can speculate on Cam's motivation all we want but in reality, he goes to a team where:

- If healthy, he should win the starting job

And/or

- Stidham could easily be replaced if he proves to be inept

I don't think anyone believes New England is a SB contender but they're far from dead in their own division.

[Sriracha]

We can speculate on Cam's motivation all we want but in reality, he goes to a team where:

- If healthy, he should win the starting job

And/or

- Stidham could easily be replaced if he proves to be inept

I don't think anyone believes New England is a SB contender but they're far from dead in their own division.

Why do you say this? NE's odds are currently 3rd in the AFC to reach the super bowl, identical to TB's.

[StripesOfKC]

We can speculate on Cam's motivation all we want but in reality, he goes to a team where:

- If healthy, he should win the starting job

And/or

- Stidham could easily be replaced if he proves to be inept

I don't think anyone believes New England is a SB contender but they're far from dead in their own division.

Why do you say this? NE's odds are currently 3rd in the AFC to reach the super bowl, identical to TB's.

Oddsmakers want people to bet.

They don't set odds based on what they think will happen.

If anyone thinks NE is as good as the Bucs lmao I don't know what to say

[Sriracha]

We can speculate on Cam's motivation all we want but in reality, he goes to a team where:

- If healthy, he should win the starting job

And/or

- Stidham could easily be replaced if he proves to be inept

I don't think anyone believes New England is a SB contender but they're far from dead in their own division.

Why do you say this? NE's odds are currently 3rd in the AFC to reach the super bowl, identical to TB's.

Oddsmakers want people to bet.

They don't set odds based on what they think will happen.

If anyone thinks NE is as good as the Bucs lmao I don't know what to say

These are often mirror images of each other in the beginning, and as the line drifts too far in favor of one side it shifts towards a 50/50 split (to mitigate Vegas's risk given that they profit in a push). Given that the line is moving down since the Cam update, I'm inclined to believe that the movement was an indication of their belief that Newton increases the Patriots's odds of success substantially.

In either case, there are certainly people (either Vegas, or the average joe) that does believe they are contenders to win the AFC this year.

[thebeast]

We can speculate on Cam's motivation all we want but in reality, he goes to a team where:

- If healthy, he should win the starting job

And/or

- Stidham could easily be replaced if he proves to be inept

I don't think anyone believes New England is a SB contender but they're far from dead in their own division.

Why do you say this? NE's odds are currently 3rd in the AFC to reach the super bowl, identical to TB's.

Oddsmakers want people to bet.

They don't set odds based on what they think will happen.

If anyone thinks NE is as good as the Bucs lmao I don't know what to say

I'm confused on how you think odds work? Because I think they set the odds based on what they think is most likely to happen and shift according to the bets they receive to make sure they don't get overweight.

[ericanadian]

Why do you say this? NE's odds are currently 3rd in the AFC to reach the super bowl, identical to TB's.

Oddsmakers want people to bet.

They don't set odds based on what they think will happen.

If anyone thinks NE is as good as the Bucs lmao I don't know what to say

These are often mirror images of each other in the beginning, and as the line drifts too far in favor of one side it shifts towards a 50/50 split (to mitigate Vegas's risk given that they profit in a push). Given that the line is moving down since the Cam update, I'm inclined to believe that the movement was an indication of their belief that Newton increases the Patriots's odds of success substantially.

In either case, there are certainly people (either Vegas, or the average joe) that does believe they are contenders to win the AFC this year.

Where do you get a 50/50 split on the Pats winning the Superbowl? Is there a substantial contingent of gamblers voting on teams not to win the Superbowl?

I suspect they try to cap the amount of money at risk with any one team, but it’s a bit more complicated than a line on a game.

[Sriracha]

Oddsmakers want people to bet.

They don't set odds based on what they think will happen.

If anyone thinks NE is as good as the Bucs lmao I don't know what to say

These are often mirror images of each other in the beginning, and as the line drifts too far in favor of one side it shifts towards a 50/50 split (to mitigate Vegas's risk given that they profit in a push). Given that the line is moving down since the Cam update, I'm inclined to believe that the movement was an indication of their belief that Newton increases the Patriots's odds of success substantially.

In either case, there are certainly people (either Vegas, or the average joe) that does believe they are contenders to win the AFC this year.

Where do you get a 50/50 split on the Pats winning the Superbowl? Is there a substantial contingent of gamblers voting on teams not to win the Superbowl?

I suspect they try to cap the amount of money at risk with any one team, but it’s a bit more complicated than a line on a game.

100%

[stoneghost28]

So...am I the only one here who thinks Stidham has a shot at amounting to starter material?

No, I've been reading more than a few articles talking about him carrying a 1st round grade into the summer of '18, also read some article (maybe bleacher report) suggesting that many people thought he should have transferred inside the big 12 after leaving Baylor, and instead went into a system/team that was ill suited to his skill set and it showed (at least in '18). Getting a real sense that it wasn't smoke that the patriots like him a lot. That they actually do like him. Will be interesting to see how it plays out, in many ways it feels like a bridge move to provide either backup if Stidham falls off, or to give Stidham another year and if he continues to impress, he gets the gig in '21, regardless, I think their view has to be that they've got Stidham/Newton very cheap covering '20, and Stidham covering 21 and '22 as well cheaply, if he can cut it, which is of course the cheat code for contending.