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Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby gunfrees » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:04 pm

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Is there a realistic chance he holds out into the year?
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Dalvin Cook Holdout Watch

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:04 pm

Cook announced he’s not participating in team activities until he gets a reasonable extension.

Might be a good time to sell Mattison.
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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby thebeast » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:06 pm

We saw it happen with MG3 so I think it’s a real possibility.
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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby StripesOfKC » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:14 pm

Hard to see him getting big money from the Vikings with his injury history
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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:38 pm

This is not a big deal. It's to be expected. He can't become a FA if he doesn't report to camp under the new CBA, so making this claim now is necessary. The MG/Bell road would be a road doesn't make any sense under the new CBA. The fact they want at least DJ money is reasonable. He will be the focal point of the offense for the 2nd straight year. Doing this is the only way RB's can gain any financial leverage within their rookie deal. It will be Chubb next year, and probably Barkley too. I expect the Vikings to sign him, they already expressed mutual desire to get a deal done early this off season. I fully expect Cook to be in the line up week 1. This statement was fully expected with no extension yet.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby StripesOfKC » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:39 pm

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Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:38 pm
This is not a big deal. It's to be expected. He can't become a FA if he doesn't report to camp under the new CBA, so making this claim now is necessary. The fact they want at least DJ money is reasonable. He will be the focal point of the offense for the 2nd straight year. Doing this is the only way RB's can gain any financial leverage within their rookie deal. It will be Chubb next year, and probably Barkley too. I expect the Vikings to sign him, they already expressed mutual desire to get a deal done early this off season.
Barkley will get his money well before a hold out.
The Giants used the number 2 pick on him. They have to pay him
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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:42 pm

StripesOfKC wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:39 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:38 pm
This is not a big deal. It's to be expected. He can't become a FA if he doesn't report to camp under the new CBA, so making this claim now is necessary. The fact they want at least DJ money is reasonable. He will be the focal point of the offense for the 2nd straight year. Doing this is the only way RB's can gain any financial leverage within their rookie deal. It will be Chubb next year, and probably Barkley too. I expect the Vikings to sign him, they already expressed mutual desire to get a deal done early this off season.
Barkley will get his money well before a hold out.
The Giants used the number 2 pick on him. They have to pay him
Probably. My point is, any top end RB after year 3 will be doing this if they don't have a deal in place by the start of the summer. Mixon was rumoured to have made that claim to the Bengals, though he hasn't gone public, to my knowledge.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby bjd5211 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:57 pm

It's likely to happen with Kamara and Mixon too, and Chubb next year. Barkley will be locked up fairly early with a deal that beats CMC.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby StripesOfKC » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:01 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:57 pm
It's likely to happen with Kamara and Mixon too, and Chubb next year. Barkley will be locked up fairly early with a deal that beats CMC.
Kamara yes--Saints are against the cap and just gave MT a huge deal. Chubb early to say but likely.

I bet Mixon gets paid though. Bengals are cheap in free agency but have always made it a point to lock up homegrown talent--even if it means overpaying.
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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:02 pm

StripesOfKC wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:01 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:57 pm
It's likely to happen with Kamara and Mixon too, and Chubb next year. Barkley will be locked up fairly early with a deal that beats CMC.
Kamara yes--Saints are against the cap and just gave MT a huge deal. Chubb early to say but likely.

I bet Mixon gets paid though. Bengals are cheap in free agency but have always made it a point to lock up homegrown talent--even if it means overpaying.
I'm all for it. These guys get used up in their prime on deals that aren't very good, considering the amount of emphasis the offense puts on them.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:08 pm

I think it's really important to understand the new CBA prevents players from accruing a year of FA if they hold out into camp, too. Bell and MG were playing on a different CBA. This one was terrible for RB's in this sense. On top of the 17th game that isn't good for them, they lose the leverage of this type of holdout. If Dalvin doesn't report to camp, and sits out as Bell did, not only will he get heavily fined, he will still be on his current deal next year. He's lose a good portion of his entire rookie contract for doing it, if they choose to levy fines, and he'll be right back where he started. This still works to his advantage if he gets them to boost their current offer, even slightly, though, so it's worth doing.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:24 pm

Selling RBs by the end of their rookie deal is becoming a more viable strategy by the day.

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Re: Dalvin Cook Holdout Watch

Postby pvillebiker » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:56 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:04 pm
Cook announced he’s not participating in team activities until he gets a reasonable extension.

Might be a good time to sell Mattison.
'Zactly. What WR is attainable for Mattison now ya think? Reagor too much or should we wait a while.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby mild » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:01 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:08 pm
I think it's really important to understand the new CBA prevents players from accruing a year of FA if they hold out into camp, too. Bell and MG were playing on a different CBA. This one was terrible for RB's in this sense. On top of the 17th game that isn't good for them, they lose the leverage of this type of holdout. If Dalvin doesn't report to camp, and sits out as Bell did, not only will he get heavily fined, he will still be on his current deal next year. He's lose a good portion of his entire rookie contract for doing it, if they choose to levy fines, and he'll be right back where he started. This still works to his advantage if he gets them to boost their current offer, even slightly, though, so it's worth doing.
FF, just curious - based on this new CBA info, is there -any- way for an RB to effectively hold out? Without damaging their FA accrual?

What if they showed up for camp, did all the "yes sir, three bags full sir" - and then sat out effective Week 1? Or even Pre-Season - just no-show it?
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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:01 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:08 pm
I think it's really important to understand the new CBA prevents players from accruing a year of FA if they hold out into camp, too. Bell and MG were playing on a different CBA. This one was terrible for RB's in this sense. On top of the 17th game that isn't good for them, they lose the leverage of this type of holdout. If Dalvin doesn't report to camp, and sits out as Bell did, not only will he get heavily fined, he will still be on his current deal next year. He's lose a good portion of his entire rookie contract for doing it, if they choose to levy fines, and he'll be right back where he started. This still works to his advantage if he gets them to boost their current offer, even slightly, though, so it's worth doing.
As I understand it- this just means that Cook has to show up for the beginning of camp as opposed to the "30 days before the start of the season" rule in the old CBA. I think he can still accrue a season and become a UFA even if he sits out 10 games, which is what fantasy gamers should be more worried about. Can anybody find something that clarifies this?
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