Dalvin Cook holding out

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:55 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:48 am
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:45 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:31 am


Doesn't really matter, teams know what they are doing juggling the cap, and it's going to be going up a lot in a few years when TV deals are done. Rams are getting close to giving Kupp a big extension despite all the massive contracts they've given out recently.
Recent history shows us that's not the case. A lot of these teams have regretted these deals.

But I get a little bit of it. These teams want to win and that's how you get these players on the field.
And then they cut them and move on, it's not a massive hindrance for them spending money (Rams prime example with the Gurley deal).
Not always that simple, especially if there's still dead money or you have to re-sign other players who become more valuable to your team after that contract is signed.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:05 am

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:55 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:48 am
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:45 am


Recent history shows us that's not the case. A lot of these teams have regretted these deals.

But I get a little bit of it. These teams want to win and that's how you get these players on the field.
And then they cut them and move on, it's not a massive hindrance for them spending money (Rams prime example with the Gurley deal).
Not always that simple, especially if there's still dead money or you have to re-sign other players who become more valuable to your team after that contract is signed.
Then they'll just restructure other deals or structure the new deal in a way so the cap hits align properly each year to keep them under cap.
This was going to be year 1 of Gurley's new contract in LA, and they cut him before he played a game, and had given massive deals to Goff and Donald already. It didn't stop them from giving Ramsey the biggest CB deal ever or prevent them from giving Kupp the deal he's reportedly on the verge of receiving.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:17 am

I love it, Mixon, Kamara, Cook! Good for the RB's. Don't listen to that old curmudgeon Giles :wink: :lol: . Gurley had a bum knee, that was certainly an outlier situation. The quality of RB these guys are, are better than anything coming out in the next few years, and it's not close. Good for them. It's good for the game, and the Dynasty landscape as well. Young, talented upcoming youth will be more prone to sticking at the RB position, too, knowing they can still get paid. This precedent being set of getting paid after year 3 is great for the position. Curious to see what happens with Chubb after this year, now, with the Hunt extension and all.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:22 am

So, how much is Saquon getting next year? Probably in the ballpark of 5/$100M

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:23 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:22 am
So, how much is Saquon getting next year? Probably in the ballpark of 5/$100M
Not sure he gets much more than CMC. Cap is going down, so I think 17 a year.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:24 am

bjd5211 wrote:
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Then they'll just restructure other deals or structure the new deal in a way so the cap hits align properly each year to keep them under cap.
This was going to be year 1 of Gurley's new contract in LA, and they cut him before he played a game, and had given massive deals to Goff and Donald already. It didn't stop them from giving Ramsey the biggest CB deal ever or prevent them from giving Kupp the deal he's reportedly on the verge of receiving.
Among others, the Rams did the following to free up cap:

Traded Talib
Traded Peters
Cut Gurley
Cut Matthews
Traded Cooks
Weddle retired

It's a lot of adjusting, especially when the deals you give out aren't providing justified value, which Gurley wasn't and Goff isn't so far. Dallas is going through something similar, where they extended Zeke, but his value to the team doesn't match the salary.

Typically, you want to have big extensions lined up at premium positions. RB isn't that, so teams are definitely taking a big risk here.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:26 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:17 am
I love it, Mixon, Kamara, Cook! Good for the RB's. Don't listen to that old curmudgeon Giles :wink: :lol: . Gurley had a bum knee, that was certainly an outlier situation. The quality of RB these guys are, are better than anything coming out in the next few years, and it's not close. Good for them. It's good for the game, and the Dynasty landscape as well. Young, talented upcoming youth will be more prone to sticking at the RB position, too, knowing they can still get paid. This precedent being set of getting paid after year 3 is great for the position. Curious to see what happens with Chubb after this year, now, with the Hunt extension and all.
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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:32 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:23 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:22 am
So, how much is Saquon getting next year? Probably in the ballpark of 5/$100M
Not sure he gets much more than CMC. Cap is going down, so I think 17 a year.
It will go down for a year, and then rocket back up once all the new TV deals come in. It would probably actually be cheaper for NYG to extend him next year, rather than wait another year and have the cap go up so much that he can ask for even more.

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Re: Dalvin Cook holding out

Postby ericanadian » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:38 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:48 am
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:45 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:31 am


Doesn't really matter, teams know what they are doing juggling the cap, and it's going to be going up a lot in a few years when TV deals are done. Rams are getting close to giving Kupp a big extension despite all the massive contracts they've given out recently.
Recent history shows us that's not the case. A lot of these teams have regretted these deals.

But I get a little bit of it. These teams want to win and that's how you get these players on the field.
And then they cut them and move on, it's not a massive hindrance for them spending money (Rams prime example with the Gurley deal).
Or trade them to Bill O’Brien...
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