Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread

[Kmani6]

This was probably said upthread, but I wouldn't hate the jets drafting Penei and giving Darnold a Gase-free try if they have 2.
I do think Fields is a good prospect, I just think going to THIS jets team might not give him a chance to develop.

If I was a Jets fan, I'd hate this. Fields is a potentially elite dual threat QB if he meets his ceiling. Sewell is really good, but you can find good OL prospects in any draft.

They should absolutely Josh Rosen Sam Darnold. Sure, Darnold can play better without Gase, but is he an elite QB talent?

100% this. you have to shoot for elite any time you can at the QB position. You can't just get by with mediocre. You can get by with solid, but not elite O-linemen. QB is where the NFL is won.

Ultimately, the Jets are going to have to decide if either Fields or Wilson are going to be “elite.” If they are sold on either guy, then it makes sense to invest the high draft capital and go out and get him. However, if they don’t feel that either will be elite, then it is really reasonable for them to take Sewell. Sewell is really not just comparable to any other random good OL prospect because he’s a generational prospect at his position, and arguably the best tackle prospect of the last decade. Pairing him with Becton would be a strong foundation for a great line for years. And if you can’t land a elite QB like a majority of NFL franchises, then having a extremely good line is really important.

This actually gives the Jets a lot of options. They can run it back with Darnold, a improved line/run game, and with a new coaching staff and if Darnold flops they can look to address the QB position in 2022 with a much better team/structure to work with. The chances that either Fields or Wilson come in to what is essentially poverty and elevate a team with a bottom 3 receiving core/o-line is honestly very unlikely.

Another reasonable option would be for the Jets to trade back and collect more picks to either acquire more talent, or take one of the other QB prospects that they like.

[Cameron Giles]

Ultimately, the Jets are going to have to decide if either Fields or Wilson are going to be “elite.” If they are sold on either guy, then it makes sense to invest the high draft capital and go out and get him. However, if they don’t feel that either will be elite, then it is really reasonable for them to take Sewell. Sewell is really not just comparable to any other random good OL prospect because he’s a generational prospect at his position, and arguably the best tackle prospect of the last decade. Pairing him with Becton would be a strong foundation for a great line for years. And if you can’t land a elite QB like a majority of NFL franchises, then having a extremely good line is really important.

This actually gives the Jets a lot of options. They can run it back with Darnold, a improved line/run game, and with a new coaching staff and if Darnold flops they can look to address the QB position in 2022 with a much better team/structure to work with. The chances that either Fields or Wilson come in to what is essentially poverty and elevate a team with a bottom 3 receiving core/o-line is honestly very unlikely.

Another reasonable option would be for the Jets to trade back and collect more picks to either acquire more talent, or take one of the other QB prospects that they like.

Sewell is really good and the consensus is he's an elite prospect, as you pointed out.

But to me, what you're describing is a luxury. I just don't see any way that the Jets can afford to pass on Fields. You don't need to have two blue chip OLs to win a Super Bowl, but you do need a really good QB. Fields does have that potential.

If the Jets take Sewell, and Darnold is still meh, then what do they do about QB? Next year's class isn't expected to be strong with QBs and nobody really knows after that.

To me, OL makes sense if you already have your QB, like the Bengals, or if you're just in a range where the talent doesn't add up to the draft capital.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Ultimately, the Jets are going to have to decide if either Fields or Wilson are going to be “elite.” If they are sold on either guy, then it makes sense to invest the high draft capital and go out and get him. However, if they don’t feel that either will be elite, then it is really reasonable for them to take Sewell. Sewell is really not just comparable to any other random good OL prospect because he’s a generational prospect at his position, and arguably the best tackle prospect of the last decade. Pairing him with Becton would be a strong foundation for a great line for years. And if you can’t land a elite QB like a majority of NFL franchises, then having a extremely good line is really important.

This actually gives the Jets a lot of options. They can run it back with Darnold, a improved line/run game, and with a new coaching staff and if Darnold flops they can look to address the QB position in 2022 with a much better team/structure to work with. The chances that either Fields or Wilson come in to what is essentially poverty and elevate a team with a bottom 3 receiving core/o-line is honestly very unlikely.

Another reasonable option would be for the Jets to trade back and collect more picks to either acquire more talent, or take one of the other QB prospects that they like.

Sewell is really good and the consensus is he's an elite prospect, as you pointed out.

But to me, what you're describing is a luxury. I just don't see any way that the Jets can afford to pass on Fields. You don't need to have two blue chip OLs to win a Super Bowl, but you do need a really good QB. Fields does have that potential.

If the Jets take Sewell, and Darnold is still meh, then what do they do about QB? Next year's class isn't expected to be strong with QBs and nobody really knows after that.

To me, OL makes sense if you already have your QB, like the Bengals, or if you're just in a range where the talent doesn't add up to the draft capital.

- Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have entered the chat.

[raiders444]

If you remove Brady and his 6 SBs, its almost like 50/50 on good QBs vs pedestrian QBs over the last 30 years or so. Some of the names that come to mind to add to Brad and Trent-
Jeff Hostetler
Joe Flacco
Nick Foles
Mark Rypien
Doug Williams

[Cameron Giles]

If you remove Brady and his 6 SBs, its almost like 50/50 on good QBs vs pedestrian QBs over the last 30 years or so. Some of the names that come to mind to add to Brad and Trent-
Jeff Hostetler
Joe Flacco
Nick Foles
Mark Rypien
Doug Williams

That's a pretty big disqualifier though, since Brady proves that an elite QB is necessary.

Since 1990:

Probable HOF/Already in the HOF:
Brady (6)
Mahomes
Rodgers
Wilson
P. Manning (2)
Brees
Roethlisberger (2)
Warner
Elway (2)
Favre
Young
Aikman (3)

Debateable:
E. Manning (2)

Everyone else:
Flacco
Foles
Dilfer
Johnson
Hostetler
Rypien

So, 22 of the last 30 Super Bowls have been won by HOFers/future HOFers, and that could jump to 24 depending on how you feel about Eli, who definitely has a chance of getting in.

Sure, there's a chance you can win a SB without a great QB, but you're basically hoping to be an anomaly.

[mgscott]

Ultimately, the Jets are going to have to decide if either Fields or Wilson are going to be “elite.” If they are sold on either guy, then it makes sense to invest the high draft capital and go out and get him. However, if they don’t feel that either will be elite, then it is really reasonable for them to take Sewell. Sewell is really not just comparable to any other random good OL prospect because he’s a generational prospect at his position, and arguably the best tackle prospect of the last decade. Pairing him with Becton would be a strong foundation for a great line for years. And if you can’t land a elite QB like a majority of NFL franchises, then having a extremely good line is really important.

This actually gives the Jets a lot of options. They can run it back with Darnold, a improved line/run game, and with a new coaching staff and if Darnold flops they can look to address the QB position in 2022 with a much better team/structure to work with. The chances that either Fields or Wilson come in to what is essentially poverty and elevate a team with a bottom 3 receiving core/o-line is honestly very unlikely.

Another reasonable option would be for the Jets to trade back and collect more picks to either acquire more talent, or take one of the other QB prospects that they like.

Sewell is really good and the consensus is he's an elite prospect, as you pointed out.

But to me, what you're describing is a luxury. I just don't see any way that the Jets can afford to pass on Fields. You don't need to have two blue chip OLs to win a Super Bowl, but you do need a really good QB. Fields does have that potential.

If the Jets take Sewell, and Darnold is still meh, then what do they do about QB? Next year's class isn't expected to be strong with QBs and nobody really knows after that.

To me, OL makes sense if you already have your QB, like the Bengals, or if you're just in a range where the talent doesn't add up to the draft capital.

- Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have entered the chat.

Very occasionally an elite defense can carry a team to a Super Bowl win. Those you are quoting were a few years ago if I remember and I don't think the Jets D has reached elite level yet.

[bjd5211]

Ultimately, the Jets are going to have to decide if either Fields or Wilson are going to be “elite.” If they are sold on either guy, then it makes sense to invest the high draft capital and go out and get him. However, if they don’t feel that either will be elite, then it is really reasonable for them to take Sewell. Sewell is really not just comparable to any other random good OL prospect because he’s a generational prospect at his position, and arguably the best tackle prospect of the last decade. Pairing him with Becton would be a strong foundation for a great line for years. And if you can’t land a elite QB like a majority of NFL franchises, then having a extremely good line is really important.

This actually gives the Jets a lot of options. They can run it back with Darnold, a improved line/run game, and with a new coaching staff and if Darnold flops they can look to address the QB position in 2022 with a much better team/structure to work with. The chances that either Fields or Wilson come in to what is essentially poverty and elevate a team with a bottom 3 receiving core/o-line is honestly very unlikely.

Another reasonable option would be for the Jets to trade back and collect more picks to either acquire more talent, or take one of the other QB prospects that they like.

Sewell is really good and the consensus is he's an elite prospect, as you pointed out.

But to me, what you're describing is a luxury. I just don't see any way that the Jets can afford to pass on Fields. You don't need to have two blue chip OLs to win a Super Bowl, but you do need a really good QB. Fields does have that potential.

If the Jets take Sewell, and Darnold is still meh, then what do they do about QB? Next year's class isn't expected to be strong with QBs and nobody really knows after that.

To me, OL makes sense if you already have your QB, like the Bengals, or if you're just in a range where the talent doesn't add up to the draft capital.

- Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have entered the chat.

Different era, and those teams had 2 of the top 5 Defenses of all-time. You can compete for and win a SB with an average QB, IF everything else on the roster is elite, but you can't be a year in and year out contender for an extended period unless you have a great QB.

[YouMightDieTryin]

So you can win a SB with a mediocre QB?

If you go the Fields route I think you're going for the K.Murray Miracle. No line makes zero time for Fields to throw the ball. If their plan is to draft Fields, address O-line in the draft, spend $$$ on FA WR (Juju-Godwin?-etc) and potentially try dart throws at DEF then I could see it work.

Flip side. If you still believe in Darnold - You draft Sewell to create an impenetrable line. Still spend $$$ on FA WR. Address DEF via draft/FA. And now you just potentially mended both sides of the ball.

There's multiple ways to go about this. NYJ needs a competent GM/HC first.

[jenkins.math]

If you remove Brady and his 6 SBs, its almost like 50/50 on good QBs vs pedestrian QBs over the last 30 years or so. Some of the names that come to mind to add to Brad and Trent-
Jeff Hostetler
Joe Flacco
Nick Foles
Mark Rypien
Doug Williams

That's a pretty big disqualifier though, since Brady proves that an elite QB is necessary.

Since 1990:

Probable HOF/Already in the HOF:
Brady (6)
Mahomes
Rodgers
Wilson
P. Manning (2)
Brees
Roethlisberger (2)
Warner
Elway (2)
Favre
Young
Aikman (3)

Debateable:
E. Manning (2)

Everyone else:
Flacco
Foles
Dilfer
Johnson
Hostetler
Rypien

So, 22 of the last 30 Super Bowls have been won by HOFers/future HOFers, and that could jump to 24 depending on how you feel about Eli, who definitely has a chance of getting in.

Sure, there's a chance you can win a SB without a great QB, but you're basically hoping to be an anomaly.

Even your HOF list is ignoring some pretty big context. Peyton Manning was absolute garbage for his 2nd SB. Russ Wilson was a passenger on a team that fielded the best defense over the last decade. Big Ben wasn't playing at a HOF level in his first SB win (in his 2nd year). Tom Brady wasn't the driving force in those early ones like he was the later ones. Even Elway was at the end of his career and had a solid defense and the best running game in the league.

Let's look at the players that won drafted with their team. Half of those on your HOF list were drafted by solid teams or playoff teams already. Peyton and Aikman were really the only 2 on that list that took over dumpster fire teams and won.

As far as the Jets go, I think they would be wise to either trade back, or take Sewell over one of the QBs. Whoever goes there is set up for failure because the team is absolutely atrocious. Why not round out the roster and then worry about trading up to get your guy (like the Chiefs) instead of just throwing crap on the wall and seeing if it sticks?

[bjd5211]

Yes you can win A Super Bowl with a mediocre QB, but what happened to Baltimore and TB after those magical single seasons, or Philly a few years ago? If you want to load up for a one off run with a bunch of bad to mediocre seasons in between, then sure just get an average QB and try to fill the other 21 starting spots with a ton of talent. However, if your goal is to have a team that will consistently be in the playoffs and in the hunt for a SB each and every year for an extended period of time then you absolutely have to have a top tier QB. And that is what the goal is and should be for every franchise in the league, to be in position to compete for Super Bowls year in and year out.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Yes you can win A Super Bowl with a mediocre QB, but what happened to Baltimore and TB after those magical single seasons, or Philly a few years ago? If you want to load up for a one off run with a bunch of bad to mediocre seasons in between, then sure just get an average QB and try to fill the other 21 starting spots with a ton of talent. However, if your goal is to have a team that will consistently be in the playoffs and in the hunt for a SB each and every year for an extended period of time then you absolutely have to have a top tier QB. And that is what the goal is and should be for every franchise in the league, to be in position to compete for Super Bowls year in and year out.

What happened to them? About 40% of the roster (mostly defense) split for better pay days. Most SB teams don't seem to stick together anymore due to money hunger. NE and KC seem to be the only ones that understand being unselfish gets you farther.

[bjd5211]

Yes you can win A Super Bowl with a mediocre QB, but what happened to Baltimore and TB after those magical single seasons, or Philly a few years ago? If you want to load up for a one off run with a bunch of bad to mediocre seasons in between, then sure just get an average QB and try to fill the other 21 starting spots with a ton of talent. However, if your goal is to have a team that will consistently be in the playoffs and in the hunt for a SB each and every year for an extended period of time then you absolutely have to have a top tier QB. And that is what the goal is and should be for every franchise in the league, to be in position to compete for Super Bowls year in and year out.

What happened to them? About 40% of the roster (mostly defense) split for better pay days. Most SB teams don't seem to stick together anymore due to money hunger. NE and KC seem to be the only ones that understand being unselfish gets you farther.

NE and KC also had/have the best QB in the league...

[ThunderTung]

Yes you can win A Super Bowl with a mediocre QB, but what happened to Baltimore and TB after those magical single seasons, or Philly a few years ago? If you want to load up for a one off run with a bunch of bad to mediocre seasons in between, then sure just get an average QB and try to fill the other 21 starting spots with a ton of talent. However, if your goal is to have a team that will consistently be in the playoffs and in the hunt for a SB each and every year for an extended period of time then you absolutely have to have a top tier QB. And that is what the goal is and should be for every franchise in the league, to be in position to compete for Super Bowls year in and year out.

What happened to them? About 40% of the roster (mostly defense) split for better pay days. Most SB teams don't seem to stick together anymore due to money hunger. NE and KC seem to be the only ones that understand being unselfish gets you farther.

NE and KC also had/have the best QB in the league...

They also have competent front offices, and head coaches. Its more than just having that elite QB. Look at Detroit. Stafford is great but hampered by a bad coaching staff and incompetent front office. GB dealt with the same, HOU, DAL.

Before the jets even think about who they're gonna take, they need to clean house. Don't waste another top 5 draft pick because your coaching staff and front office suck

[bjd5211]

The front office is the one bright spot about the NY Jets right now. Joe Douglas inherited Gase, he didn't hire him, and he had a great first offseason as the GM last year.

And I didn't say you just need to get a QB and then everything else doesn't matter, the QB doesn't guarantee success, but it's still the single most important piece towards achieving longterm success and you can't have that longterm success without having a franchise QB.

[-THE DUDE-]

Kyle Trask melting down in the Cotton Bowl vs OU right now. No Kyle Pitts or Kadarius Toney and he's throw 3 INT's in the first 11 minutes, 2 are pick sixes and the third was in the endzone, he threw 5 picks all year. Looking like the weapons elevated him all year, rather than him elevating those around him. Not good for his draft stock.

He was missing his top 4 WR/TE and their coaching staff let everyone go home for Christmas leaving them with 3 practices for the bowl game with a brand new receiver group he barely ever played with. Only 1 of those INT was all on him and that was a horrible pick 6. The other was a slightly thrown ball behind the TE and the other in the end zone he had his arm hit as he was releasing it. Trask is far from an elite NFL prospect but last night was not a fair comparison