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Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread
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Surely he earnt some tough guy points, some people love them.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:36 am Waddle supposedly passed all his rehab assignments and had full ROM, but the way he looked like a wounded gazelle just flopping around was hard to watch. Was he trying to push his draft stock down?
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I very much disagree. There is a correlation with higher BMI WRs scoring more points.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:33 amBMI shouldn't be a significant factor in evaluating a WR.
But it's not the be-all-end-all metric; and there will always be exceptions that break the mold.
Devonta is an exception, and at this point his career has been so much of an outlier I don't give a bleep about his sleight frame. He was Alabama's most productive receiver while sharing the field with 3 other 1st round picks (Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle). He was the undisputed alpha this year and was so dominant he won the Heisman as a WR. He's shown he can excel no matter what situation he finds himself in at the next level.
What more does he have to prove?
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Which one of his 3 touchdowns yesterday got you excited about his NFL prospects? They were all schemed layups.Sriracha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 amI very much disagree. There is a correlation with higher BMI WRs scoring more points.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:33 amBMI shouldn't be a significant factor in evaluating a WR.
But it's not the be-all-end-all metric; and there will always be exceptions that break the mold.
Devonta is an exception, and at this point his career has been so much of an outlier I don't give a bleep about his sleight frame. He was Alabama's most productive receiver while sharing the field with 3 other 1st round picks (Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle). He was the undisputed alpha this year and was so dominant he won the Heisman as a WR. He's shown he can excel no matter what situation he finds himself in at the next level.
What more does he have to prove?
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Do you think teams don't try to scheme their best weapons into favorable situations? The fact is he was able to convert those advantages into opportunity and that opportunity into production-- repeatedly. Every team Alabama plays knows Devonta is going to get the ball.. and they can't stop him. 12 receptions for 200 yards vs OSU is impressive any way you slice it.cantguardjake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:34 pm Which one of his 3 touchdowns yesterday got you excited about his NFL prospects? They were all schemed layups.
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Dont read to much into this but watch highlights of Davante Adams. You will notice he doesn't hand fight, or muscle for position to make a catch. Closer looks show him running free oft times as you scratch your head wondering how the defense could possibly let him do that. Watching Smith I see a lot of the same things. Yeah they try to scheme him open but Green Bay schemes Adams open too. The thing you don't mention is his football IQ and physical tools that leads him to find ways to be open. I am not saying he IS Adams or that he will be but he just has that ability to find a way to be there for his QB down in and down out. I think he is a gamble no doubt but I'd role the dice on him anyway because the only thing people can say bad about him is his BMI.
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My 15 year old son is bigger, that is my only concern. Kid has balled, just worry he is the next Hollywood Brown, who is tough to trust. I am am all in on Chase, so doubt I will be presented the decision to draft him, but I would have pause.
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Is Hollywood hard to trust because of his BMI or because of his Offense/QB?
I'm also all in on Chase (assuming he shows up to the combine looking like he kept wprkimg out this year) but I still have Smith as a top 3 or 4 pick.
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Brown measured in at 5'9" 166 at the combine. I bet Smith ends up being 6'1" 180+. That's a lot closer to Calvin Ridley. People had the same concerns about him pre combine.
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Re: Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread
I know they are "trick" plays but you think those first 2 work without his change of direction and speed? I don't. I hear what you're saying but the gimmicky stuff is part of their offense and he also wins constantly without any of that stuff.cantguardjake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:34 pm Which one of his 3 touchdowns yesterday got you excited about his NFL prospects? They were all schemed layups.
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Even just having him out there further stresses a defense that is forced to cover him. He was playing Decoy as much as anything else.SStory93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:05 amFrom what was said, it wasn't about the draft at all. Waddle wanted to be part of the national championship game one more time before he went to the NFL. Seems like a solid team player.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:36 am Waddle supposedly passed all his rehab assignments and had full ROM, but the way he looked like a wounded gazelle just flopping around was hard to watch. Was he trying to push his draft stock down?
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Of course, but getting schemed open at the college level does nothing to help us project his ability at NFL - which is the whole point.Sriracha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:09 pmDo you think teams don't try to scheme their best weapons into favorable situations? The fact is he was able to convert those advantages into opportunity and that opportunity into production-- repeatedly. Every team Alabama plays knows Devonta is going to get the ball.. and they can't stop him. 12 receptions for 200 yards vs OSU is impressive any way you slice it.cantguardjake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:34 pm Which one of his 3 touchdowns yesterday got you excited about his NFL prospects? They were all schemed layups.
He looks solid and was obviously dominant at the college level, but his stats were definitely inflated this year.
Give me Chase 10/10 times.
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I don't get this stance. Why are we talking about Smith like he was Tavon Austin at West Virginia? There are a ton of games from this season where he is getting open at will against defenders.cantguardjake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:59 pmOf course, but getting schemed open at the college level does nothing to help us project his ability at NFL - which is the whole point.Sriracha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:09 pmDo you think teams don't try to scheme their best weapons into favorable situations? The fact is he was able to convert those advantages into opportunity and that opportunity into production-- repeatedly. Every team Alabama plays knows Devonta is going to get the ball.. and they can't stop him. 12 receptions for 200 yards vs OSU is impressive any way you slice it.cantguardjake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:34 pm Which one of his 3 touchdowns yesterday got you excited about his NFL prospects? They were all schemed layups.
He looks solid and was obviously dominant at the college level, but his stats were definitely inflated this year.
Give me Chase 10/10 times.
He's by no means a perfect prospect, but I'm not sure what more he really could've done this season. He had an all-time elite season for a college WR and did it in the toughest conference. His stats are only inflated in the sense that Waddle was out all season and Smith saw a bump in production without him in the lineup. The first Bama season in a while where a WR didn't have to compete with anyone for targets.
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