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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby KingsKing » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:26 pm

alewilliam789 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:45 pm I’m not seeing the Javonte Williams hype. On tape he looks good and breaks tackles against collegiate athletes, but what matters at the next level high percentile athleticism in some aspect (speed, strength, quickness) plus those intangibles. Williams may have those traits, but it doesn’t look like it.

Jermar Jefferson is an interesting prospect because he looks to have high level speed and as said above will seriously be interested in draft capital/test scores.

Najee Harris and Javonte Williams shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence lol. Harris 230 pounds and is blowing past much better defenders/defenses
I'm 99% sure Williams will run much faster than Harris will . I would still draft Harris ahead of Williams but I would be willing to be Williams is faster.

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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby Pullo Vision » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:29 pm

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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby Pullo Vision » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:32 pm

Sriracha wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:28 pm 5'10 220 vs 5'10 217

Both of these guys are fast for their size, which one's faster? Maybe Javonte, maybe Jermrar but in any case I don't expect it to be a huge advantage for either.

Jermar's got that true freshman breakout where he caught 25 balls (which is pretty impressive). Both of these guys could possibly be 3 down backs, I wouldn't say either has a clear advantage in this area at this point in time.

Javonte and him both break a ton of tackles and display good contact balance. I like Javonte a little more in this area, but it could just be a difference in run styles. Javonte runs more like a power back, Jermar a slasher.

Playing with Sam Howell at UNC is also very different from playing at Oregon St. so I'm not going to bother comparing YPC, TDs between them lol.

We'll see if he ends up with higher draft capital. I somewhat lean Javonte but at this point I don't see him so much better he deserves a different tier. Maybe some impressive pro day numbers or vastly divergent draft capital will change that, though
Interesting distinction. What does it mean, to you? Is a smasher someone who runs into would be tacklers? How would a power back approach a would be tackler differently?
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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby alewilliam789 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:43 pm

KingsKing wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:26 pm
alewilliam789 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:45 pm I’m not seeing the Javonte Williams hype. On tape he looks good and breaks tackles against collegiate athletes, but what matters at the next level high percentile athleticism in some aspect (speed, strength, quickness) plus those intangibles. Williams may have those traits, but it doesn’t look like it.

Jermar Jefferson is an interesting prospect because he looks to have high level speed and as said above will seriously be interested in draft capital/test scores.

Najee Harris and Javonte Williams shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence lol. Harris 230 pounds and is blowing past much better defenders/defenses
I'm 99% sure Williams will run much faster than Harris will . I would still draft Harris ahead of Williams but I would be willing to be Williams is faster.
Maybe. What matters more to me is at what weight they run it at and their explosiveness too, but if he is in fact significantly faster I like it because it adds one more legitimate prospect to the RB pool. I won’t be fully on the Javonte Williams train until he test well He’s a Tier 3 prospect for at this point for me
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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby KingsKing » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:24 pm

alewilliam789 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:43 pm
KingsKing wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:26 pm
alewilliam789 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:45 pm I’m not seeing the Javonte Williams hype. On tape he looks good and breaks tackles against collegiate athletes, but what matters at the next level high percentile athleticism in some aspect (speed, strength, quickness) plus those intangibles. Williams may have those traits, but it doesn’t look like it.

Jermar Jefferson is an interesting prospect because he looks to have high level speed and as said above will seriously be interested in draft capital/test scores.

Najee Harris and Javonte Williams shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence lol. Harris 230 pounds and is blowing past much better defenders/defenses
I'm 99% sure Williams will run much faster than Harris will . I would still draft Harris ahead of Williams but I would be willing to be Williams is faster.
Maybe. What matters more to me is at what weight they run it at and their explosiveness too, but if he is in fact significantly faster I like it because it adds one more legitimate prospect to the RB pool. I won’t be fully on the Javonte Williams train until he test well He’s a Tier 3 prospect for at this point for me
I think both are great prospects , Harris is my rb1 and Williams is closing in on my rb2. Williams has prototypical size , his speed is underrated and his agility and lateral movement are all plus too. He breaks more tackles than any rb in the class and has good pass catching chops . I would be very happy to land either prospects.

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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby Sriracha » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:50 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:32 pm
Sriracha wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:28 pm
Javonte and him both break a ton of tackles and display good contact balance. I like Javonte a little more in this area, but it could just be a difference in run styles. Javonte runs more like a power back, Jermar a slasher.
Interesting distinction. What does it mean, to you? Is a smasher someone who runs into would be tacklers? How would a power back approach a would be tackler differently?
Both of these guys have multi-faceted games, so it's not to say that Javonte can't glance past defenders or that Jermar can't run people over or power through a pile. It's more about their tendencies; Javonte will try to break a lot of tackles by inviting contact; Jermar has a tendency to "get skinny" or change direction and glance past arm tackles after the defender is out of position. Both of them have some nifty moves and are capable of being finesse runners as well.

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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby cantguardjake » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:15 pm

alewilliam789 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:45 pm I’m not seeing the Javonte Williams hype. On tape he looks good and breaks tackles against collegiate athletes, but what matters at the next level high percentile athleticism in some aspect (speed, strength, quickness) plus those intangibles. Williams may have those traits, but it doesn’t look like it.

Jermar Jefferson is an interesting prospect because he looks to have high level speed and as said above will seriously be interested in draft capital/test scores.

Najee Harris and Javonte Williams shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence lol. Harris 230 pounds and is blowing past much better defenders/defenses
I’m not sure I’ve seen Harris blow by too much tbh lol plough through maybe :lol:

I’m not really sure what quantifiable athletic measurable Najee is going to test high percentile in. Vertical maybe, bench press? It definitely won’t be speed score.

If Harris is going to be successful it’s in the vein of a high volume plodder like Montgomery, it’s all about landing spot for him IMO.

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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:28 pm

So without combines, what are you guys going to be watching? Old tape? Pro days? Going by draft capital?
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QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

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QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

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QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby ThunderTung » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:59 pm

wickerkat1212 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:28 pm So without combines, what are you guys going to be watching? Old tape? Pro days? Going by draft capital?
kind of depends on how pro days end up working out this year, but otherwise draft cap will be my biggest indicator.
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Postby DJB » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:25 am

QB - Trey Lance
RB - Sermon
WR - Terrace Marshall, T Terry


Love all these guys. Of course I have other players ranked ahead of them but im picking guys that aren't getting a ton of love as of yet.
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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby murphysxm » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:27 am

DJB wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:25 am
RB - Sermon
I saw the one game highlights, but does he have the tape to support his sudden love?
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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:35 am

murphysxm wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:27 am
DJB wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:25 am
RB - Sermon
I saw the one game highlights, but does he have the tape to support his sudden love?
He was always supposed to be something big at Oklahoma, but never really shined. Low carries and tread so could be looked at as a Jacobs hype. He has the prototype metrics, but I want to see his drill times. I think he has a good head on his shoulders, but if he's slow I'm not buying.
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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby DJB » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:42 am

murphysxm wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:27 am
DJB wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:25 am
RB - Sermon
I saw the one game highlights, but does he have the tape to support his sudden love?
I usually evaluate prospects using their cumulative college tape and production. I've liked him for more than just the one game.

I can admit the RB class being very underwhelming has contributed somewhat to my likeness for him but he's a good player.
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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby cantguardjake » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:14 pm

murphysxm wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:27 am
DJB wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:25 am
RB - Sermon
I saw the one game highlights, but does he have the tape to support his sudden love?
Honestly he looks like he is stuck in the mud to me. He weighed in a lot lighter at the Senior Bowl than I would have thought so will be interesting to see his times.

Kylie Hill is better.

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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

Postby mild » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:19 pm

Trey Lance, Rashod Bateman, and Kenneth Gainwell are my guys thus far at this early stage of scouting that I'm most interested in. I've got 2.03 and 2.04 as my first picks in my main SF league, so I'm highly intrigued in the value guys that may fall with potentially 4-5 QB's going in the 1st round in SF.

Of those 3 names, the one I'm most impressed by is Bateman. He definitely seems to have it.


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