Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread

[Cameron Giles]

I don't believe for a moment he weighs legit 215, probably played in the high 190's low 200's just 2 months ago . This is a water loaded weight I would bet on it . I suspect he is closer to 205 lbs than 215.

Edit: watching his workouts he looks a bit soft, not the body type you want to see from a rb

Yeah, I just don't put much stock in weight these days. Players just work to meet a certain threshold for that specific day to impress GMs and evaluators. After that, you go back to competing at whatever weight you want to, which often is less than the billed weight.

Whatever the case is, Etienne is at worst a 2nd round RB in the actual draft. I don't expect any of the RBs to go first round this year.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I don't believe for a moment he weighs legit 215, probably played in the high 190's low 200's just 2 months ago . This is a water loaded weight I would bet on it . I suspect he is closer to 205 lbs than 215.

Edit: watching his workouts he looks a bit soft, not the body type you want to see from a rb

He’s on record saying he plays between 200-210

[mgscott]

I don't believe for a moment he weighs legit 215, probably played in the high 190's low 200's just 2 months ago . This is a water loaded weight I would bet on it . I suspect he is closer to 205 lbs than 215.

Edit: watching his workouts he looks a bit soft, not the body type you want to see from a rb

He’s on record saying he plays between 200-210

Which likely translates to 190-200

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I don't believe for a moment he weighs legit 215, probably played in the high 190's low 200's just 2 months ago . This is a water loaded weight I would bet on it . I suspect he is closer to 205 lbs than 215.

Edit: watching his workouts he looks a bit soft, not the body type you want to see from a rb

He’s on record saying he plays between 200-210

Which likely translates to 190-200

Hmm I didn’t really take the quote to be him hyping himself up. I think he really does play around 200-210. He said his ideal weight was like 205. I can’t remember where I read this but I believe the quote was from a year ago

Found it. https://www.si.com/college/clemson/foot ... his-weight

"I will, see my body, my body weight fluctuate. So realistically, I'll probably do like 206 throughout the whole season, but it doesn't matter for me because 208 to 200 to 199. At those weights, I suppose I feel fine, so it doesn't matter. If like I'm within a 210 to 200 range I feel great. And it really doesn't bother me at all."

I think these guys need to stop worrying so much about their weight and just focus on being in their best athletic condition. Like 215 was unnecessary. 210 would have been more than enough for most ppl. And Reagor likely bulked up as well which tanked his drills.

[AussieMate]

He’s on record saying he plays between 200-210

Which likely translates to 190-200

Hmm I didn’t really take the quote to be him hyping himself up. I think he really does play around 200-210. He said his ideal weight was like 205. I can’t remember where I read this but I believe the quote was from a year ago

Found it. https://www.si.com/college/clemson/foot ... his-weight

"I will, see my body, my body weight fluctuate. So realistically, I'll probably do like 206 throughout the whole season, but it doesn't matter for me because 208 to 200 to 199. At those weights, I suppose I feel fine, so it doesn't matter. If like I'm within a 210 to 200 range I feel great. And it really doesn't bother me at all."

I think these guys need to stop worrying so much about their weight and just focus on being in their best athletic condition. Like 215 was unnecessary. 210 would have been more than enough for most ppl. And Reagor likely bulked up as well which tanked his drills.

I agree with this thought, if Reagor came in at 195 but ran a 4.38 or something I'm happier with than him coming in 10 pounds heavier. With Etienne you have a situation where people will doubt that 215 is legit his playing weight whilst also remembering him running over 4.4, the worst of both worlds.

[mgscott]

He’s on record saying he plays between 200-210

Which likely translates to 190-200

Hmm I didn’t really take the quote to be him hyping himself up. I think he really does play around 200-210. He said his ideal weight was like 205. I can’t remember where I read this but I believe the quote was from a year ago

Found it. https://www.si.com/college/clemson/foot ... his-weight

"I will, see my body, my body weight fluctuate. So realistically, I'll probably do like 206 throughout the whole season, but it doesn't matter for me because 208 to 200 to 199. At those weights, I suppose I feel fine, so it doesn't matter. If like I'm within a 210 to 200 range I feel great. And it really doesn't bother me at all."

I think these guys need to stop worrying so much about their weight and just focus on being in their best athletic condition. Like 215 was unnecessary. 210 would have been more than enough for most ppl. And Reagor likely bulked up as well which tanked his drills.

I was mostly just saying this as a joke, but height and weight tends to be embellished all the time. So it's hard to take someone at their word when millions of dollars are at stake.

I do agree they should show up at their ideal weight athletically. Adding weight to reach a set standard is bound to make you slower and not as quick.

[Dynos]

well etienne weight 215 and ran a 4.41

https://dynastyleaguefootball.com/player-news?id=4538

[StripesOfKC]

Two guys not at all being talked about enough to me are Dyami Brown and Nico Collins

Assuming day 2 capital I might trade into the 3rd round if either is slipping too much

They're standing out to me as the best values right now alongside a wild card in Terry (who others have already addressed)

[smbkrypt24]

At WR, I'm chasing upside, and the way he moves looks too much like Tyreek Hill and Santana Moss to not have me salivating at the prospects of what he could do at the NFL level.

2019 Iron Bowl was all I needed to see to know I wanted as many Waddle shares as I could get whenever he came into the league. Chase is still WR1 this year for me, but Waddle is definitely #2 for me.

I have Chase #1 as well and will most likely will be getting Waddle or Pitts at my 1.07.
I see it going as:
N. Harris
Chase
Etienne
J Williams
D. Smith
Waddle
Pitts
Bateman
Moore

My list without taking ADP in would be:
Chase
Harris
Pitts
Etienne
Waddle
Smith
Lawrence
Bateman
Moore
Williams

[mild]

... of those 3 names, the one I'm most impressed by is Bateman. He definitely seems to have it.

I really like Bateman too , he probably wont run very fast though . Might make him even more of a bargain if he starts to slip to the late first once guys like Waddle and Hubbard run really fast.

Still here, still love Bateman.

I agree with Kings here - I don't see the sub-4.4 speed when I watch his cutups, so I'm sceptical of that time that was posted. But I definitely see him as "fast enough" in the same vein as Tee Higgins (and I think he moves a wee bit faster than Tee). Speed isn't purely how he wins - he's a mauler with excellent physicality at the line and downfield at the catch point. Chase is the "best" WR in this draft, but Bateman is definitely my favourite (because of relative value) at this stage.

I've seen more than a few mocks of Bateman to the Ravens. I think that's probably realistically the only way I'm going to see him at 2.03 in a SF at this rate... and I'd pull that trigger, easily. Lamar deserves a big body contested catch dude, I think that combo would actually work.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Oh god imagine Baltimore using Bateman as a big slot though.

[YouMightDieTryin]

I don't see Baltimore ever use any of their WR...I think that's the problem.

[Ice]

I don't see Baltimore ever use any of their WR...I think that's the problem.

Sad but true.

[mild]

I don't see Baltimore ever use any of their WR...I think that's the problem.

I think you're using the results to this point to be predictive of how it's "always going to be" - and that's not always healthy thinking, and can leave you blindsided by the assumption. This isn't a Lamar thread, but - I'd just offer these two counterpoints...

1. Lamar has still improved mechanically as a passer year-on-year-on-year-on-year now. He's still not a finished product. Getting his OL back this season will dramatically improve his odds of being successful as a passer. (Getting a new Passing Coordinator not named David Culley might help, too)

2. Hollywood Brown was perhaps the weirdest choice of Receiver that Baltimore could have made the WR1 in the draft. I know a lot of us loved him here, but lets quickly review: you have a dynamic QB who can throw well on the run and play backyard football, is excellent throwing between the hashes, and can struggle at times with his accuracy and placement on throws outside the numbers.
"OK guys, lets get him the receiver with the smallest wingspan in the draft, who requires perfect placement for passes, and who struggles mightily in contested catch situations. All on board? Great, hit the button."

PFF said as much last year when they picked Lamar over Kyler as the "QB you'd want to build around". If Lamar had a contested catch monster like D-Hop to throw to... you can bet he'd look a lot better to us as a passer.

[Ice]

I don't see Baltimore ever use any of their WR...I think that's the problem.

I think you're using the results to this point to be predictive of how it's "always going to be" - and that's not always healthy thinking, and can leave you blindsided by the assumption. This isn't a Lamar thread, but - I'd just offer these two counterpoints...

1. Lamar has still improved mechanically as a passer year-on-year-on-year-on-year now. He's still not a finished product. Getting his OL back this season will dramatically improve his odds of being successful as a passer. (Getting a new Passing Coordinator not named David Culley might help, too)

2. Hollywood Brown was perhaps the weirdest choice of Receiver that Baltimore could have made the WR1 in the draft. I know a lot of us loved him here, but lets quickly review: you have a dynamic QB who can throw well on the run and play backyard football, is excellent throwing between the hashes, and can struggle at times with his accuracy and placement on throws outside the numbers.
"OK guys, lets get him the receiver with the smallest wingspan in the draft, who requires perfect placement for passes, and who struggles mightily in contested catch situations. All on board? Great, hit the button."

PFF said as much last year when they picked Lamar over Kyler as the "QB you'd want to build around". If Lamar had a contested catch monster like D-Hop to throw to... you can bet he'd look a lot better to us as a passer.

Eventually you're probably right but Jackson really runs early and often. As for M. Brown he had 8 TD's tying him for 15th with S. Diggs. Brown has major break out potential if Jackson starts targeting WR's more often.

While Brown needs to improve his catch % it was better than Moore, Gallup, Beckham Jr, Chark, Gronk, and Claypool to name a few. At this level the QB needs to hit the target no matter the size.

Today the Ravens are built to run. Given how good their defense is I doubt they change much until Jackson gets a bit older.