Does Anyone Still Believe: N'Keal Harry Edition

[PR0v3]

If you're worried about Harry, you sell him now for the discount that's unfortunately been realized. Can't imagine many people are trading a 1st, so I'd believe an early/mid 2nd is more of where it's happening.

Say a Mims, Pittman, Higgins, Aiyuk, etc all have mediocre years...their value would still probably stay in the late 2nd or early early 3rd. However, if Harry falters again this year, his goes from a second to asking him as a dart-throw trade add-on.

Do I believe that Harry has equal or greater potential than Mims, Pittman, Higgins, etc? Absolutely but a red flag is a red flag.

Why do you believe he absolutely has greater potential than that tier? The draft capital is basically identical to the Aiyuk, Pittman, Higgins, Shenault group, and it's not like Harry was without his flaws as a prospect, he wore college defenders like a t-shirt. It's hard to imagine Harry would have been viewed in a higher tier than those guys if he came out this year, as it seems like his valuation last offseason was more a product of being the most prototypical #1 prospect of a perceived weak class, rather than actually being a standout prospect that transcended his draft class.

[Patsfan86]

Call me overly optimistic but i think Harry earns more value this season. I do own him but i didnt invest much in him, I traded Calvin Ridley for Metcalf and Harry.

1. He was hurt last season to start then over halfway through he was just thrown into an awful situation with an unhappy and quite frankly unmotivated brady who was sick of Belichick by then and just wanted to leave town.

2. Even the most motivated Brady has had issues developing rookie Wrs for whatever reason. He just didnt have the patience for them. Stidham on the other hand is a second year guy too and he may take the risks Harry can capitalize on that Brady didnt want to take. Perhaps they form chemistry that he and Brady clearly did not have

3. Harry will undoubtedly get more playing time which should translate into far better stats.

4. From the very little i did see of Harry he was able to flash a few times and do exactly what he was drafted to do. He got screwed by the refs in that Chiefs game but if you all remember that was quite an athletic TD that was called back. I also saw him make some plays (ver few plays but still plays) where his athleticism was just ridiculous.

With all of that said at this moment in time he is worth only a mid second at least and a late first at best.

[Zacsby]

I do believe Harry will have a better connection with Stidham. You usually see that between guys who are working on the 2nd team or come in as rookies together. Whether or not he can overcome the separation issues remains to be seen. Harry would be my WR7 in this class, sandwiched between Higgins and Pittman.

[OhCruelestRanter]

I’d much rather reset the clock with a guy like Pittman or something.

This is just interesting because Harry is actually younger than Pittman.

[Cameron Giles]

ADP wise, Harry is going 7.09 in Mizelle ADP, just behind Brandon Aiyuk. So, his value is settling in as a mid 2nd round pick.

That's pretty appealing, though I can definitely see the argument for resetting the clock with another rookie WR. Even though the Patriots offense depends on so many unknowns, I feel like we really don't know if Harry is good or bad yet. He missed 9 games because of an ankle sprain and played a light role in an offense that's notoriously difficult to master.

There's plenty of opportunity this year.

[Ice]

Wasn't worth drafting last year IMO so I sure wouldn't trade for him now. Good luck to all those holding him or trying to buy.

Probably worth a 2nd to a believer. I would just as soon grab M. Lee off waivers.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I’d much rather reset the clock with a guy like Pittman or something.

This is just interesting because Harry is actually younger than Pittman.

Reset the clock as in, get a guy who wasn’t a disaster his rookie year. As others have said, if Harry disappoints again his value falls off a cliff. If Pittman disappoints, it’ll be where Harry’s value is now.

[BigBawseRoss]

mid 2nd. not lots going in his favor imo

[OhCruelestRanter]

I’d much rather reset the clock with a guy like Pittman or something.

This is just interesting because Harry is actually younger than Pittman.

Reset the clock as in, get a guy who wasn’t a disaster his rookie year. As others have said, if Harry disappoints again his value falls off a cliff. If Pittman disappoints, it’ll be where Harry’s value is now.

It’s a good point! What I would suggest is that while the first round juniors are insulated enough that Harry (currently a 7th round startup pick) represents a worst case scenario, I think the second round guys have a JJ Arcega-Whiteside (17th round) floor if they don’t do anything.

[thebeast]

For what it’s worth, Harry isn’t going bust without a fight https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-nkeal ... 42692.html

[YouMightDieTryin]

Not to derail the thread, but I just don't want to start a new one for this question.

Anyone believe in Jakobi Meyers? Kid has something about him that could flourish. He and Stidham had a nice connection last preseason as well. Worth a roster spot or nothing more than a WR4?

[Dynos]

Not to derail the thread, but I just don't want to start a new one for this question.

Anyone believe in Jakobi Meyers? Kid has something about him that could flourish. He and Stidham had a nice connection last preseason as well. Worth a roster spot or nothing more than a WR4?

i have him on my bench, if you have place on your bench why not?

[YouMightDieTryin]

I have a place on my bench for him as I taxi'd him last year, but is he worth a spot over a flyer like James Robinson, Coulter, Quez Watkins, Hightower? The idea he has 1 year experience is nice, but just curious if the situation is as good.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Piggybacking off of what DD said, here's another question- which receivers in this class have value as insulated as N'Keal Harry's was? N'Keal Harry's peak value was an ADP of 42.33 (~4.06 in a 12 team 1 QB startup) in June 2020. He's now at an all time low of 83.50 (~7.11-7.12). This seems like a massive drop, but when you consider that he only managed 12 receptions and 105 yards, and compare it to Parris Campbell (peak 77.17, now 132) Andy Isabella (peak 106, now 228) or JJAW (peak 95.5, now 212.5), it doesn't seem like that big of a drop.

Personally, I think with a complete flame out season like Harry's, that only Lamb and Jeudy will almost definitely continue to hold top 100 value. Ruggs has too many detractors; if he doesn't do anything, the public wave will be that he was never a good pick, he's just a speed guy, etc. Reagor and Jefferson I think would end up in the top 90-120 range. I think everybody else could see the bottom fall out.

[Shankopotamus]

I found it interesting that Courtland Sutton's average separation was basically the same as Harry's yet he's viewed as one of the next elite Wrs by a lot.

I think Harry puts it all together at some point, at least to the level of not being a total bust. He's putting in the work.