"Height correlates with mass, and there's your real key metric here." Love this.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:05 amWarrick Dunn was less than 190lbs, with worse BMI than Cohen.
I would like to see Cohen put on 5-10 more lbs before he becomes a 10-15 carries a week guy, but the thing is, he can probably add that much weight pretty easily without losing any speed/burst, and probably will just from being on NFL-regimen weight-training. Cohen's low bench-rep score only seems to confirm that he, like many college players, didn't spend much time in the gym. He will now, because the NFL does a lot more to encourage it.
Dunn is obviously still an amazing outlier himself, but there's your precedent, OP.
Also, as the above all implies, I think you're misstepping putting so much emphasis on height when searching for relevant precedent. Height doesn't make a guy more durable, and other than a minor benefit to pass-catching and blocking ability, it doesn't help RBs. Height correlates with mass, and there's your real key metric here.
The thing is that in college programs lifting IS required and regimented. In my opinion we didn't lift often enough, and did not achieve anywhere near what we needed to grow as much as we could have. I think we ran too often, for too much endurance, and did not lift heavy enough. We needed to be lifting much higher percentages of our maxes, much more often, and with more volume. As I have dove deeper into understanding powerlifting ten years later I know for a fact we didn't. Then again, the average instagram model now has a better understanding of weight training than people did 10-15 years ago, so I can't say how advanced it has gotten. All I know is my strength and conditioning coach was a s*** show and it is a travesty he was paid to do his job at the level he did... old washed up, ex-college FB who sniffed the NFL and did not understand the science of lifting at all smh....
In regards to your point specifically, some players THRIVE in the pros at lifting and preparation because it is now THEIR FULL-TIME EXTREMELY HIGHLY PAID BUT ALSO VOLATILE JOB which they feed their family with. They don't have to do things like BE A FULL TIME COLLEGE STUDENT (our system is so stupid), but at the same time, others (TRICH is the best example) fail in the NFL at properly preparing (amongst on-field failings, just talking about weight room with him right now). TRich talked about how at Alabama everything was laid out from schedule to exactly how much he would lift and when, it is not as controlled in the NFL and that freedom led him to slack off. Meanwhile JJ Watt has a bed at the facility (literally).
Point just being, the NFL will not for sure put mass on a given player, it's up to their work ethic.
ANYWAY, tangent aside, Dunn was a beast and the closest to a standalone back at that size and he still had Mike Alstott to BASH defenses (and be a pretty darn good all-around back, amazing for a fullback). A guy like Cohen will simply ALWAYS be a part of a committee, at best, in today's NFL. I personally do not pursue players of that nature. At the same time, if you are a guy who likes rostering a Sproles or a Riddick, Cohen certainly has that upside and I wouldn't be mad at anybody for going after him.