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Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby austing » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:28 pm

Big body guy. Enough speed but lacks separation. Great agility metrics. Decent enough hands and body control. Can he really be a wr1? Is he more Dez or more Treadwell? Just am so unsure in this draft.. feel like there's some big-time sleeper bust potential to many of these guys.
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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby Phaded » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:43 pm

I have not dived too much into WR tape at this point - but from what I have seen (very small sample size), it is neither but you are looking at one extreme or the other. Based on what I have seen (given its tape from 2 games), he is a better prospect than Treadwell was. How much so, I cannot say with confidence without diving more into it (which I will, just not until later) - but I already know I am not crazy about him and cannot see him as a WR1.

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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby bsp27 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:08 pm

He's much closer to Alshon Jeffery than either of those guys
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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:51 pm

Metrics wise he's way better than Treadwell. It's not hard to see why Treadwell is a bust. He is not athletic enough to separate vs NFL corners, and lacks the athleticism to win 50/50 balls.

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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:52 pm

Metrics wise he's way better than Treadwell. It's not hard to see why Treadwell is a bust. He is not athletic enough to separate vs NFL corners, and lacks the athleticism to win 50/50 balls. I think he is somwhere in between Dez and Treadwelll. Not going to be as good or bad as the 2 examples you have used.

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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby Bot101 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:24 pm

Yeah Jeffery is my comp too.

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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby bucsrule » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:53 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:52 pm
Metrics wise he's way better than Treadwell. It's not hard to see why Treadwell is a bust. He is not athletic enough to separate vs NFL corners, and lacks the athleticism to win 50/50 balls. I think he is somwhere in between Dez and Treadwelll. Not going to be as good or bad as the 2 examples you have used.
Strongly agree with this.

Also share the sentiment that Sutton is very close to Alshon.
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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby austing » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Good to know I appreciate it. Alshon in the right situation is a decent floor prospect-wise.
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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby kris_kapsner » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:07 pm

Sutton is a good prospect with a decently high ceiling. He doesn’t look like a potential top 10 WR though to me.

He’s a worthwhile pick in the first round of rookie drafts. I wouldn’t expect him to develop into an elite guy though. Alshon is a pretty fair comparison.
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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby whodunnit » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:19 pm

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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:17 pm

Sutton is a kind of tough eval. I thought he doesn’t look any better than Treadwell or mike Williams on tape, and you could argue Sutton looks more raw and less skilled than those two. However he has he athleticism they didn’t. I don’t think he’s Dez or Treadwell, rather he’s somewhere in between the two.

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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby clarion contrarion » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:15 am

between dez and tread along the dwayne bowe axis in my opinion .
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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby ImaRounder » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:15 am

Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:17 pm
Sutton is a kind of tough eval. I thought he doesn’t look any better than Treadwell or mike Williams on tape, and you could argue Sutton looks more raw and less skilled than those two. However he has he athleticism they didn’t. I don’t think he’s Dez or Treadwell, rather he’s somewhere in between the two.
I like this.

I also think it's important to note the eb and flow of wr vs cb. CBs are big right now, so we're seeing a little shift to smaller, more agile receivers having success relative to the size, speed freaks. Yes, I understand there are guys like Julio, AJG and that's really it. I'd usually have Evans listed but he didn't have a monster year. I'd have Michael Thomas but he isnt one of those freak athletes.

So, although Sutton might be as good as Mike Williams (Clemson), we might just be seeing the size of the receiver being neutralized and replaced by technique, route running, and agility.

I still like Treadwell and Mike Williams by the way.

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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby kamihamster » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:13 pm

ImaRounder wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:15 am
Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:17 pm
Sutton is a kind of tough eval. I thought he doesn’t look any better than Treadwell or mike Williams on tape, and you could argue Sutton looks more raw and less skilled than those two. However he has he athleticism they didn’t. I don’t think he’s Dez or Treadwell, rather he’s somewhere in between the two.
I like this.

I also think it's important to note the eb and flow of wr vs cb. CBs are big right now, so we're seeing a little shift to smaller, more agile receivers having success relative to the size, speed freaks. Yes, I understand there are guys like Julio, AJG and that's really it. I'd usually have Evans listed but he didn't have a monster year. I'd have Michael Thomas but he isnt one of those freak athletes.

So, although Sutton might be as good as Mike Williams (Clemson), we might just be seeing the size of the receiver being neutralized and replaced by technique, route running, and agility.

I still like Treadwell and Mike Williams by the way.
I like this take. And when the pendulum swings the other way of smaller quick CBs to cover the good route runners, size-speed freaks will be the more successful flavor of WR. But for now, I agree, the WRs to own are the AB/OBJ type.
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Re: Sutton: Dez or Treadwell?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:38 pm

I think only time will tell whether he will amount to sutton or nothing. 8-)
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