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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby PTW32 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:21 am

IZigUZag wrote:
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No way I'm passing on some of these RB's for Tua in a SF. He has no rushing upside, and major injury concerns. He doesn't have top 5 upside for me, and a few of these RB's do.
Came back to find this comment specifically... I've been watching more film cut ups for Ruggs/Jeudy. Tua makes some really bad decisions at times. I'm no scouting guru, but watching him vs top teams (Clemson National Championship 2018, LSU 2018 and 2019) he makes some awful reads. There was some other boneheaded decisions I want to say vs Auburn 2018 and South Carolina 2019, even though he finished with great stat lines. I'm also not too confident taking him over some of these RB even in SF
Forget Tua, I'm not taking Burrow over the top 5 RBs in this class, either.

RB's value over replacement is too strong to ignore the studs in great landing spots. Even in Superflex.
I think it depends on the league. I have 1.01 in a 16 team SF and there is almost zero chance I pass on Burrow
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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby stoneghost28 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:35 am

Tier 1:
1.01 Taylor
1.02 CEH

Still debating where I just throw CEH into 1.01 even though I don't believe he's in the same tier as Taylor/Swift/Dobbins in terms of talent. Considering how fantastic his usage could end up, maybe I need to cave on that, but the track record of talent to me has historically generally trumped situation when there is a tier of difference in play, but KC is KC, so I'm trying to be open minded to it (especially considering the analysts I respect most generally disagree w/me here).

Tier 2:
1.03 Swift
1.04 Dobbins

Tier 3:
1.05 Lamb
1.06 Akers
1.07 Reagor
1.08 Jeudy
1.09 Ruggs
1.10 J. Jefferson

Tier 4:....
1.11 T. Higgins
1.12 L. Shenault (honestly I have no idea how I'm gonna rank the WR's I have here, but for now I like Shenault better than Pittman, Mims, and Aiyuk but I may change my mind later)......

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby Mike11 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:29 am

PTW32 wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:21 am
IZigUZag wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:28 pm
Jigga94 wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:23 pm


Came back to find this comment specifically... I've been watching more film cut ups for Ruggs/Jeudy. Tua makes some really bad decisions at times. I'm no scouting guru, but watching him vs top teams (Clemson National Championship 2018, LSU 2018 and 2019) he makes some awful reads. There was some other boneheaded decisions I want to say vs Auburn 2018 and South Carolina 2019, even though he finished with great stat lines. I'm also not too confident taking him over some of these RB even in SF
Forget Tua, I'm not taking Burrow over the top 5 RBs in this class, either.

RB's value over replacement is too strong to ignore the studs in great landing spots. Even in Superflex.
I think it depends on the league. I have 1.01 in a 16 team SF and there is almost zero chance I pass on Burrow
I lean Taylor too but it seems like all the industry experts have CEH. I had Swift and Taylor in their own tier right above CEH at 3 and it’s tough for me because Taylor went to a near perfect situation too.

I’ll have to make the choice and hope they’re both great so I don’t have to have regret over it lol
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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby dlf_mikeh » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:41 pm

1. CEH
2. Dobbins

3. Swift
4. JT
5. Reagor
6. Jeudy


7. Jefferson
8. Mims
9. Lamb
10. Burrow
11. Dillon

12. Ruggs/Higgins

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I'm crazy for Mims. Maybe too crazy, I don't care. The only thing in his way is Adam Gase.

Those are all tiers btw. The order of those groupings can change depending on league settings and team makeup. I still tried to put them in order of how I'd draft them. I think Burrow could be the next Mahomes, so I'd easily go as early as 7 if I needed a QB.

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby drbuttermaker » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:09 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote:
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I'm crazy for Mims. Maybe too crazy, I don't care. The only thing in his way is Adam Gase.
Gase is a tire fire. I was big on Mims too. Unfortunately, the year he will spend roasting over that smoldering mess is going to stunt his development.

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby Ice » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:10 pm

11. Ruggs
What is crazy is far off you are in your Ruggs evaluation. Oh well..... Good Luck with that! :D
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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:11 pm

drbuttermaker wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:09 pm
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Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:41 pm
I'm crazy for Mims. Maybe too crazy, I don't care. The only thing in his way is Adam Gase.
Gase is a tire fire. I was big on Mims too. Unfortunately, the year he will spend roasting over that smoldering mess is going to stunt his development.
Mims is probably the favourite to lead all targets for rookies at WR. Gase won't be long term if he doesn't win this year. I love the landing spot. Their WR coach I like, regardless of Gase. (Van Jefferson's dad)

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby perkinsrooster » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:51 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:41 pm
1. CEH
2. Dobbins

3. Swift
4. JT
5. Mims
6. Jeudy

7. Jefferson
8. Reagor
9. Lamb
10. Burrow

11. Ruggs
12. Higgins

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I'm crazy for Mims. Maybe too crazy, I don't care. The only thing in his way is Adam Gase.

Those are all tiers btw. The order of those groupings can change depending on league settings and team makeup. I still tried to put them in order of how I'd draft them. I think Burrow could be the next Mahomes, so I'd easily go as early as 7 if I needed a QB.
No Akers? Where do you have him? I have picks 10 and 11 and my QBs are Wentz and Cousins (1qb). I didn't think I needed a qb but after what Philly did maybe I do? I also have picks 2.02 and 2.03 so was hoping Burrow might fall there.

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby Sriracha » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:23 pm

PTW32 wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:21 am
IZigUZag wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:28 pm
Jigga94 wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:23 pm


Came back to find this comment specifically... I've been watching more film cut ups for Ruggs/Jeudy. Tua makes some really bad decisions at times. I'm no scouting guru, but watching him vs top teams (Clemson National Championship 2018, LSU 2018 and 2019) he makes some awful reads. There was some other boneheaded decisions I want to say vs Auburn 2018 and South Carolina 2019, even though he finished with great stat lines. I'm also not too confident taking him over some of these RB even in SF
Forget Tua, I'm not taking Burrow over the top 5 RBs in this class, either.

RB's value over replacement is too strong to ignore the studs in great landing spots. Even in Superflex.
I think it depends on the league. I have 1.01 in a 16 team SF and there is almost zero chance I pass on Burrow
16 team SF means that someone is going to have to start a RB/WR/TE over a QB (given the cap on 32 starting QBs)-- which dramatically increases a QB value.

You could make a case for QB being as valuable as a stud RB in a 14+ team league, pretty easily.

12 team leagues they're overvalued given the risk reward (they'd have to be stud QBs to return more value than a stud RB).

10 team leagues... taking them above a stud RB makes 0 sense.

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby Hottoddies » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:35 pm

IZigUZag wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:23 pm
PTW32 wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:21 am
IZigUZag wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:28 pm


Forget Tua, I'm not taking Burrow over the top 5 RBs in this class, either.

RB's value over replacement is too strong to ignore the studs in great landing spots. Even in Superflex.
I think it depends on the league. I have 1.01 in a 16 team SF and there is almost zero chance I pass on Burrow
16 team SF means that someone is going to have to start a RB/WR/TE over a QB (given the cap on 32 starting QBs)-- which dramatically increases a QB value.

You could make a case for QB being as valuable as a stud RB in a 14+ team league, pretty easily.

12 team leagues they're overvalued given the risk reward (they'd have to be stud QBs to return more value than a stud RB).

10 team leagues... taking them above a stud RB makes 0 sense.
In a superflex league you're not comparing the 2nd QB to your top RB/WR starters. You need to compare them to the last RB/WR you would add to your starting lineup in that SF spot if not a QB. In that case, I think a QB would be the wise start every time.
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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby Tvols » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:16 am

dlf_mikeh wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:41 pm
1. CEH
2. Dobbins

3. Swift
4. JT
5. Mims
6. Jeudy

7. Jefferson
8. Reagor
9. Lamb
10. Burrow

11. Ruggs
12. Higgins

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I'm crazy for Mims. Maybe too crazy, I don't care. The only thing in his way is Adam Gase.

Those are all tiers btw. The order of those groupings can change depending on league settings and team makeup. I still tried to put them in order of how I'd draft them. I think Burrow could be the next Mahomes, so I'd easily go as early as 7 if I needed a QB.
how big a difference you have between CEH and swift not a fan of CEH so having the 1-01 and 1-04 I am in an obvious rebuild and I just love swift moren but the value of CEH maybe to great to pass up or if i can trade down a couple of spots. I like this list but i would swap Mims and lamb.

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby remedy29 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:32 pm

1. CEH - he was my RB # 1 pre draft due to his excellent work as a pass catcher (21% of his snaps he lined up as a WR). Post draft, a pass catching RB who is good in space, as shown at LSU, is a slam dunk # 1 pick. A rookie RB on a 5 year rookie deal in KC, what more can you ask for in PPR?
2. JT - Certainly an excellent choice and could be 1.01 as well, but he will need to contribute in the passing game which he has not shown capable of doing to date.
3. Lamb - love the talent.
4. Jeudy - Another top end WR talent.
5. Cam Akers - He could end up with the lion share of backfield touches, but I'm worried this turns into a RBBC.
6. JK Dobbins - Landed in an excellent spot as he is not built to be a true workhorse RB, but 200 carries in Baltimore's offense will make him very relevant. Not sure he contributes much in the passing game based on his skill and playing with Lamar in Baltimore.
7. Swift - Love the player, hate the landing spot. Absolutely dismal landing spot. I'm worried there will be a new couching staff sometime soon and possible complete rebuild. Perhaps his talent shines through despite landing in Detroit.
8. Jefferson - Should be a solid contributor in PPR.
9. Tee Higgins - Landed in a good spot to be a top PPR WR.
10. Pittman - Landed in a great spot for a very underrated WR. Great Coaching and team needs a WR to step up.
11. Reagor - I am ranking him here based on draft capital, but I have Reagor, Shenault & Mims very closely rated. Perhaps Mims with more upside.
12. Shenault - Has boom/bust potential. I'll bet on the boom as he is a beast of a WR.

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13. Mims - Landed in a great spot for a team needing a WR to grow with Darnold.
14. Ruggs - Perhaps ranked too low as I do believe he will be a solid NFL WR, not sure how good he will be in PPR.
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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby mild » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:54 pm

remedy29 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:32 pm
6. JK Dobbins - Landed in an excellent spot as he is not built to be a true workhorse RB, but 200 carries in Baltimore's offense will make him very relevant. Not sure he contributes much in the passing game based on his skill and playing with Lamar in Baltimore.
Oh you must mean the OTHER JK Dobbins, the one that didn't have 800 touches for 5000 all-purpose yards in 3 years at Ohio State...

A hearty "lol" to anyone that doesn't think this man can't carry a backfield.

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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby nathanq42 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:10 pm

mild wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:54 pm
remedy29 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:32 pm
6. JK Dobbins - Landed in an excellent spot as he is not built to be a true workhorse RB, but 200 carries in Baltimore's offense will make him very relevant. Not sure he contributes much in the passing game based on his skill and playing with Lamar in Baltimore.
Oh you must mean the OTHER JK Dobbins, the one that didn't have 800 touches for 5000 all-purpose yards in 3 years at Ohio State...

A hearty "lol" to anyone that doesn't think this man can't carry a backfield.
But he only weight 209 at the combine /s
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Re: Post Draft Top 12 Rankings

Postby remedy29 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:19 pm

mild wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:54 pm
remedy29 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:32 pm
6. JK Dobbins - Landed in an excellent spot as he is not built to be a true workhorse RB, but 200 carries in Baltimore's offense will make him very relevant. Not sure he contributes much in the passing game based on his skill and playing with Lamar in Baltimore.
Oh you must mean the OTHER JK Dobbins, the one that didn't have 800 touches for 5000 all-purpose yards in 3 years at Ohio State...

A hearty "lol" to anyone that doesn't think this man can't carry a backfield.
I'm pretty sure Dobbins won't have too many Rutgers level talent on their schedule.
Dobbins did have a huge carry total last year...one he needed too to rebound his draft stock, but that does not mean he can carry that into the NFL...regardless how many fantasy fans drool over the workhorse 3 down RB fantasy. Fact is, they are rare and Dobbins is not a rare talent (5th RB taken tells you that).
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