Jordan Howard: Stock Up?
Jordan Howard: Stock Up?
I watched a couple videos of Jordan Howard and I fell in love with him. I loved his ability to slip through a hole, I loved his one cut and go style, and I loved his physicality. When I made my rankings a few weeks ago, I put him #4 behind Zeke, Booker, and Dixon. Today I was listening to the Dynasty Nerds recent podcast and they didn't even have Howard in the top ten, which blew me away. I decided to go back and watch some more to see if I was missing anything and I watched the game against Wake Forest... yikes, he looked like a straight plodder in that game. I still love him though! What do you guys think? pure runner or plodder?
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I like Howard. He takes running angry to a new level and has very good vision. I just worry that his style could keep him on the sidelines with injuries.
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Lance Zierlien stated that a very well respected RB coach in the NFL said Howard was the best pure runner in this class. Better than Zeke. Now Zeke was the better all round back, but this guy said that as a pure runner, Howard was the best. Zierline had him rated higher than Henry at one point, but dropped him down due to the injuries.kwade7575 wrote:I watched a couple videos of Jordan Howard and I fell in love with him. I loved his ability to slip through a hole, I loved his one cut and go style, and I loved his physicality. When I made my rankings a few weeks ago, I put him #4 behind Zeke, Booker, and Dixon. Today I was listening to the Dynasty Nerds recent podcast and they didn't even have Howard in the top ten, which blew me away. I decided to go back and watch some more to see if I was missing anything and I watched the game against Wake Forest... yikes, he looked like a straight plodder in that game. I still love him though! What do you guys think? pure runner or plodder?
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Showed good hands at the combine. Indiana didn't use him much in the passing game, but it doesn't mean he can't catch. Howard could easily steal early down work from Langford. He's the better between the tackles runner. I see this as a typical response from Langford owners. I own no stock in either, but Langford is not that good a back.JTLoh wrote:Can't catch. Can't pass pro.
3rd and 1, in comes Howard.
Goal to go, in comes Howard.
Everything else, Langford.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... -langford/
It appears Langford can't pass protect, either. He was 3rd worst among qualified backs.(article above is referenced)
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i anticipate howard getting some opportunities. what he does with them remains to be seen. imo, there is some value to be had in the chicago backfield, but hard to say who the guy to own will be. i really think they have 3 guys that are meh... that may be tough for us fantasy owners if noone separates themself.
at the pick it takes to draft him, he's worth a shot. but i wouldnt be moving up or trading future picks to get him. at the 1st sign of promise...i would sell for a 17 1st if he shows it.
take that as you wish, i also believed that langford, rawls, and dj were sells at the early offseason price they were commanding. in terms of selling howard...there are several more talented backs that will be comming out next year. my guess is that howard would easily slip into the 3rd next year and perhaps even farther back. he is not a special talent, and has injury concerns to boot. he is not a long term answer imo.
at the pick it takes to draft him, he's worth a shot. but i wouldnt be moving up or trading future picks to get him. at the 1st sign of promise...i would sell for a 17 1st if he shows it.
take that as you wish, i also believed that langford, rawls, and dj were sells at the early offseason price they were commanding. in terms of selling howard...there are several more talented backs that will be comming out next year. my guess is that howard would easily slip into the 3rd next year and perhaps even farther back. he is not a special talent, and has injury concerns to boot. he is not a long term answer imo.
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A couple of years ago I was at the same place with jeremy hill . I had him as my 1:1 which in retrospect was too high but most alleged experts had him as rb 7 or lower and suggested he was a mid to late 2nd in rookie draft at best . I was patient and drafted him in the 10 to 12 range in every league and he carried me to many titles his rookie year . If you have a feeling about a guy then chase it to a point. I did draft him a bit early but not getting to the tip top of the draft where I had he and allen robinson ranked . Robinson was my wr3 much higher than most & didn't do much his rookie year but last year was sensational .
Long story short if you have a feeling chase it to the extent of drafting early enough that you get the guy , but not way way ahead of ADP. Even if hill was jim brown jr buying at 1;1 was unneccessary as that is raising the sticker price making him less of a great deal. The experts are wrong often ,the metrics can be misleading but only you have to live with your mistakes so make your own not other people's mistakes.
Long story short if you have a feeling chase it to the extent of drafting early enough that you get the guy , but not way way ahead of ADP. Even if hill was jim brown jr buying at 1;1 was unneccessary as that is raising the sticker price making him less of a great deal. The experts are wrong often ,the metrics can be misleading but only you have to live with your mistakes so make your own not other people's mistakes.
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Yea, definitely, I dont draft until the 2.4 in a 10 teamer anyway. 14 is about as high as I have seen him going, so it wont really be a reach on value. My league is superflex too, so I think he will easily make it to my pick with 3 QB's most likely being selected before that.clarion contrarion wrote:A couple of years ago I was at the same place with jeremy hill . I had him as my 1:1 which in retrospect was too high but most alleged experts had him as rb 7 or lower and suggested he was a mid to late 2nd in rookie draft at best . I was patient and drafted him in the 10 to 12 range in every league and he carried me to many titles his rookie year . If you have a feeling about a guy then chase it to a point. I did draft him a bit early but not getting to the tip top of the draft where I had he and allen robinson ranked . Robinson was my wr3 much higher than most & didn't do much his rookie year but last year was sensational .
Long story short if you have a feeling chase it to the extent of drafting early enough that you get the guy , but not way way ahead of ADP. Even if hill was jim brown jr buying at 1;1 was unneccessary as that is raising the sticker price making him less of a great deal. The experts are wrong often ,the metrics can be misleading but only you have to live with your mistakes so make your own not other people's mistakes.
I definitely understand that it is more than likely that the Chicago backfield gets replaced as a whole next year, so If Howard hits I will be looking to try and get my 2017 1st back that I dealt away. I think/hope for this year, though, he takes over that backfield. And thanks to FantasyFreak, we can also see that Langford's 3rd down role is not exactly protected, so maybe he wont be shipped off the field on every 3rd down.
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TE - Z.Ertz
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If he can't catch, the Bears are in trouble because Langford can't either...
Fwiw, Christine Michael was also the "best pure runner" in his draft class too.
Fwiw, Christine Michael was also the "best pure runner" in his draft class too.
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Michael also had trouble understanding the playbook.. that's also why he didn't produce as well as he should have.
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Personally, I dont see anyone other than Elliot or Henry (from this class) having a legit shot at becoming the long term answer for their respective franchises. I'm probably alone in this thinking and it suits me just fine. I think they make excellent stopgaps though!
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Good ReadFantasyFreak wrote:https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... -langford/
It appears Langford can't pass protect, either. He was 3rd worst among qualified backs.(article above is referenced)
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Langford struggles to run in between the tackles. Howard could legitimately take the early down role.JTLoh wrote:Can't catch. Can't pass pro.
3rd and 1, in comes Howard.
Goal to go, in comes Howard.
Everything else, Langford.
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Yeah, but he was too busy pursuing his rap career to use it....skip wrote:If he can't catch, the Bears are in trouble because Langford can't either...
Fwiw, Christine Michael was also the "best pure runner" in his draft class too.
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Howard can catch. If his game translates and he doesn't just end up hurt all the time, he is legitimately better than Langford in every area except downfield route running and "get him in space" type plays.
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No, you are exactly correct. A lot of people like to dismiss "draft pedigree" but it can be very telling on the predictability of future opportunity. Every year dynasty owners make the same mistake by getting excited about later round running backs who land in good situations. Unless they are drafted in the top 3 or MAYBE the 4th round of the draft, the likelihood of success is very low.georg013 wrote:Personally, I dont see anyone other than Elliot or Henry (from this class) having a legit shot at becoming the long term answer for their respective franchises. I'm probably alone in this thinking and it suits me just fine. I think they make excellent stopgaps though!
The only two that fall on that range for me this year other than Elliott and Henry are Drake and Prosise. I am not all that bullish on either of those other two.
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