For sure. I had CEH rounding out my top 5, which was all 1 tier. I haven't seen the other spots or capital yet, so I need to see that first, but CEH will definitely not be at RB 5 for me anymore.mgscott wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:01 am I would still like to wait and find out the landing spots of the other top backs before even making my top 5 rankings, but this certainly elevates CEH. He comes into the conversation for 1.1 for me now. While I doubt he will be a workhorse back per se, KC doesn't use their backs as workhorses anyway. He will likely get the high majority of RB touches, whether it be rushing or receiving. He is the type of back that does well in space and this situation is the ideal fit for that. I slightly worry about TD numbers, but KC puts up so many points I could still see him reaching 10 TDs a year.
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Soooo he is Kamara floor and Westbrook ceiling? Am I understanding your point correctly?mgscott wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:01 am I would still like to wait and find out the landing spots of the other top backs before even making my top 5 rankings, but this certainly elevates CEH. He comes into the conversation for 1.1 for me now. While I doubt he will be a workhorse back per se, KC doesn't use their backs as workhorses anyway. He will likely get the high majority of RB touches, whether it be rushing or receiving. He is the type of back that does well in space and this situation is the ideal fit for that. I slightly worry about TD numbers, but KC puts up so many points I could still see him reaching 10 TDs a year.
Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01
I certainly have no issues with any owners that decide Edwards-Helaire is their 1.01 - especially if you're looking for an immediate impact for your team.
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His floor is lower than that.xlur8ed wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:06 amSoooo he is Kamara floor and Westbrook ceiling? Am I understanding your point correctly?mgscott wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:01 am I would still like to wait and find out the landing spots of the other top backs before even making my top 5 rankings, but this certainly elevates CEH. He comes into the conversation for 1.1 for me now. While I doubt he will be a workhorse back per se, KC doesn't use their backs as workhorses anyway. He will likely get the high majority of RB touches, whether it be rushing or receiving. He is the type of back that does well in space and this situation is the ideal fit for that. I slightly worry about TD numbers, but KC puts up so many points I could still see him reaching 10 TDs a year.
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I mentioned it in the "Who will be the 1st RB selected" thread that CEH was developing sneaky 1st Round upside over the past few weeks, just from picking up on many of the draft scouts/insiders I follow. So, I'm not shocked that he went 1st round and I wouldn't have argued with anyone who had him in the 1st pre-draft.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:51 am He always was. Also, it's your view that there's more talented players, but the NFL doesn't seem to agree on that, at least at the RB spot. Most people had CEH in their top 5, with it being one tier. I don't think it's crazy for people to take him first, his floor is safe and his ceiling is high.
That said, I still think it's very problematic to draft situation over talent and that's what this mostly feels like. Is he really the 1.01 in a draft that is this stacked in talent? I just don't see it. The value is poor to me.
I think he's going to be a good player, but I don't see a player who is going to be consistently in the conversation as a Top-5 or Top-10 RB going forward, which is traditionally what you want out of an RB going 1.01 in a strong class.
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Guess that depends on which Kamara year is your floor.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:08 amHis floor is lower than that.xlur8ed wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:06 amSoooo he is Kamara floor and Westbrook ceiling? Am I understanding your point correctly?mgscott wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:01 am I would still like to wait and find out the landing spots of the other top backs before even making my top 5 rankings, but this certainly elevates CEH. He comes into the conversation for 1.1 for me now. While I doubt he will be a workhorse back per se, KC doesn't use their backs as workhorses anyway. He will likely get the high majority of RB touches, whether it be rushing or receiving. He is the type of back that does well in space and this situation is the ideal fit for that. I slightly worry about TD numbers, but KC puts up so many points I could still see him reaching 10 TDs a year.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..
Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01
I was big on CEH, but not being a good tape guy, went with the flow and had him as my number four or so RB. This landing spot changes a lot for me. It's possible that Swift, Taylor, or Dobbins go to Tampa or some other sweet landing spot, but I'd be happy with CEH as my number one.
Brian Westbrook was one of my favorite players ever. His three down capabilities were key. I'll trust that Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes will have an elite offense for the foreseeable future and CEH will benefit from that. So high floor, high ceiling, even if you don't think he's as talented or built like some other RBs.
Brian Westbrook was one of my favorite players ever. His three down capabilities were key. I'll trust that Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes will have an elite offense for the foreseeable future and CEH will benefit from that. So high floor, high ceiling, even if you don't think he's as talented or built like some other RBs.
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Westbrook floor and Kamara ceiling actually.xlur8ed wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:06 amSoooo he is Kamara floor and Westbrook ceiling? Am I understanding your point correctly?mgscott wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:01 am I would still like to wait and find out the landing spots of the other top backs before even making my top 5 rankings, but this certainly elevates CEH. He comes into the conversation for 1.1 for me now. While I doubt he will be a workhorse back per se, KC doesn't use their backs as workhorses anyway. He will likely get the high majority of RB touches, whether it be rushing or receiving. He is the type of back that does well in space and this situation is the ideal fit for that. I slightly worry about TD numbers, but KC puts up so many points I could still see him reaching 10 TDs a year.
Or rather, a floor of 2019 Kamara, ceiling of 2018 Kamara.
Re: CEH is your new 1.01
That just makes no sense. You said it, there was already 1st round buzz from the scouts/insiders that you follow before the draft. Presumably respected NFL talent evaluators. I'm sure KC wasn't the only team in love with CEH. Then it comes to fruition on draft day. Not only is he drafted in the 1st round, he's the 1st RB off the board. How is it situation at that point?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:09 amI mentioned it in the "Who will be the 1st RB selected" thread that CEH was developing sneaky 1st Round upside over the past few weeks, just from picking up on many of the draft scouts/insiders I follow. So, I'm not shocked that he went 1st round and I wouldn't have argued with anyone who had him in the 1st pre-draft.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:51 am He always was. Also, it's your view that there's more talented players, but the NFL doesn't seem to agree on that, at least at the RB spot. Most people had CEH in their top 5, with it being one tier. I don't think it's crazy for people to take him first, his floor is safe and his ceiling is high.
That said, I still think it's very problematic to draft situation over talent and that's what this mostly feels like. Is he really the 1.01 in a draft that is this stacked in talent? I just don't see it. The value is poor to me.
I think he's going to be a good player, but I don't see a player who is going to be consistently in the conversation as a Top-5 or Top-10 RB going forward, which is traditionally what you want out of an RB going 1.01 in a strong class.
12 Team SF IDP
QB - Mahomes, Lawrence, Mac
RB - Etienne, Walker, Rhamondre, Javonte, Akers, CEH
WR - AJB, Waddle, Higgins, Gabe, Toney
TE - Andrews, ISJ
DL - Quinnen, Highsmith, Josh Allen
LB - Lloyd, JOK, Gay, Bush
DB - Winfield, Love, Delpit
14 Team 1QB IDP
QB - Fields, Jimmy G
RB - Henry, Kamara, Swift, Herbert
WR - Adams, Juju, Jakobi, Theilen
TE - Hock, Everett
DL - Garrett, Buckner, Sweat
LB - White, David, Okereke, Jack
DB - Budda, CJGJ, Dugger, Byard
QB - Mahomes, Lawrence, Mac
RB - Etienne, Walker, Rhamondre, Javonte, Akers, CEH
WR - AJB, Waddle, Higgins, Gabe, Toney
TE - Andrews, ISJ
DL - Quinnen, Highsmith, Josh Allen
LB - Lloyd, JOK, Gay, Bush
DB - Winfield, Love, Delpit
14 Team 1QB IDP
QB - Fields, Jimmy G
RB - Henry, Kamara, Swift, Herbert
WR - Adams, Juju, Jakobi, Theilen
TE - Hock, Everett
DL - Garrett, Buckner, Sweat
LB - White, David, Okereke, Jack
DB - Budda, CJGJ, Dugger, Byard
Re: What does CEH to KCC do?
Twittersphere said that the Chiefs' GM told Andy that he looks like Brian Westbrook and Reid responded, "He's better".
Re: What does CEH to KCC do?
Twittersphere said that the Chiefs' GM told Andy that he looks like Brian Westbrook and Reid responded, "He's better".
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I'm pretty bummed about this spot. Have been higher than most on CEH for months and was expecting to grab him around 1.05 in multiple leagues. So much for that.
Its nice to be validated on my eval but looks like I won't be benefitting anywhere.
Its nice to be validated on my eval but looks like I won't be benefitting anywhere.
Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01
I bet other fans of Edwards-Helaire will feel the same way. Always nice to see a player go to a good landing spot, but then you realize you can no longer afford to acquire that player.skinfanjon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:27 am I'm pretty bummed about this spot. Have been higher than most on CEH for months and was expecting to grab him around 1.05 in multiple leagues. So much for that.
Its nice to be validated on my eval but looks like I won't be benefitting anywhere.
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If it's coming off like I think CEH is untalented, then that's not the case. I just do not think he is the best player or talent available in this strong class. I think he's in an optimal situation to his skillset and he'll have good value in fantasy because of it. But is that 1.01? I just don't see it. Is he Fournette, Barkley, Zeke, Gurley, any of those backs? That's usually the standard.Zacsby wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:19 amThat just makes no sense. You said it, there was already 1st round buzz from the scouts/insiders that you follow before the draft. Presumably respected NFL talent evaluators. I'm sure KC wasn't the only team in love with CEH. Then it comes to fruition on draft day. Not only is he drafted in the 1st round, he's the 1st RB off the board. How is it situation at that point?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:09 amI mentioned it in the "Who will be the 1st RB selected" thread that CEH was developing sneaky 1st Round upside over the past few weeks, just from picking up on many of the draft scouts/insiders I follow. So, I'm not shocked that he went 1st round and I wouldn't have argued with anyone who had him in the 1st pre-draft.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:51 am He always was. Also, it's your view that there's more talented players, but the NFL doesn't seem to agree on that, at least at the RB spot. Most people had CEH in their top 5, with it being one tier. I don't think it's crazy for people to take him first, his floor is safe and his ceiling is high.
That said, I still think it's very problematic to draft situation over talent and that's what this mostly feels like. Is he really the 1.01 in a draft that is this stacked in talent? I just don't see it. The value is poor to me.
I think he's going to be a good player, but I don't see a player who is going to be consistently in the conversation as a Top-5 or Top-10 RB going forward, which is traditionally what you want out of an RB going 1.01 in a strong class.
I think this is pushing down better long-term players and talents.
Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01
So people are arguing against the best receiving back in the class going to a team that made Damien freaking Williams a top RB relatively recently?
Seems backwards to me. Some people hold onto their evaluations a little too closely. I understand the desire to go toward more traditional backs but this is a perfect landing spot for what the Chiefs do. CEH can do for the Chiefs what McCaffrey has done for the Panthers.
CEH is basically a souped up Ekeler.
Seems backwards to me. Some people hold onto their evaluations a little too closely. I understand the desire to go toward more traditional backs but this is a perfect landing spot for what the Chiefs do. CEH can do for the Chiefs what McCaffrey has done for the Panthers.
CEH is basically a souped up Ekeler.
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