Thoughts on Rashaad Penny?

[Jrblaha]

I’m in the minority here. But maybe it’s because I don’t draft well past the 1st round. I’m holding him over a second because I don’t see anyone in the projected second round of 2022 id rather have him. Penny has more upside Imo (and a crazy low floor). I’m not moving him for less than a 1st, no one is gonna send a first, so he’s a hold for me

[prinefan]

Injury prone, small sample size. If you can sell for a 2nd, by all means do that. I'm not seeing the logic behind holding here at all. Guess I'd concede, if I couldn't get a 3rd, I'd hold.

Knowing what we know, why on Earth would any rational / experienced owner buy for a mid 2nd? In the last two games, he's played the 25th ranked run defense at home and then the 30th ranked run defense also at home. Week 14 he played well vs the 31st ranked run defense in the Texans.

Context matters.

Yup. He will he 26, 2nd contract. Probably not even the starter I'd assume. If he was, how long does he hold up? He's played in 36 games in 4 seasons. That's barely over 50%. I was a huge believer, but at some point, you have to cut your losses and take what you can get. I'm holding for now with 0 expectations moving forward. If he gives me an RB2 type year? Awesome. If I can sell for a 2nd? Awesome.

Solid take.

Agreed. I'd move him in a heartbeat for a mid-2nd. Can't stand players who put my heart in my throat each and every time I start him.

[Sriracha]

Assuming Russ stays I could easily see him being the next perennially undervalued lead back in the SEA offense a la Chris Carson circa 2018-2020 who was also devalued because of injury concerns.

Russ leaving + SEA drafting a RB + Injury concerns make Penny an extremely volatile asset atm but mid 2nd sounds about right for a potential multi year RB1.

Many a RB has been labeled injury prone before finding a regimen that keeps them healthy (Frank Gore, Dalvin Cook, Melvin Gordon, etc)

[cazzie33]

Depends on where the 2nd rd pick is & how you view the quality of depth to that spot. Every year is a bit different where there seems to be a drop off point in talent that you deem worthy of a guy like Penny.

Last year for me was around 15-16 but wasn’t as high on T. Marshall or R. Moore as some. Post season you may say that there were more due to A. St. Brown , E. Mitchell , R. Stevenson , etc... but not so sure @ draft time you’d trade a guy like R. Penny for those later rd draftees. Haven’t dove too deep into the ‘22 class but guessing it’s not any deeper.

That being said there’s too much unknown right now to take less than an early 2nd. Maybe he signs elsewhere in a RBBC (doubt it) or back in Sea wo/ Wilson which may or may not be better (likely not better) or maybe he falls into a dream situation ( TB). Plus we don’t know where all the rookie players land. I’m huge on the fit for players in their style to mesh w/ team’s philosophy. Kamara & J.T. if they were to swap places neither would be as good trying to do what the other excels at imho . Very good still but not as great.

Someone above also mentioned his EMERGENCE coincided heavily with the competition level of opponents down the stretch. We picked him up just because of that factor. A. Collins caught the rougher portion of the schedule playing injured and results were dismal. Don’t think Penny would have blown the doors off of the others. Didn’t do it vs ‘49ers or Rams wks 13 & 15 for example. So not valuing him as RB1 but RB2 w/ upside in the right situation

[murphysxm]

I have always been low on him, maybe that is a bias on my part, but I would happily take a 2nd for Christine Michael, I mean Penny……

[cazzie33]

C. Mike ... C. Mike Run ... C. Mike sit... loved me some C. Michael Train memes

Good one Murph

Maybe if C. Mike had the draft capital he’d have been a bigger thing but Coach Pete didn’t have anything to prove playing him. Carroll and the front office took a leap of faith in picking up a Penny stock quite a bit higher than the market forecasted it’s worth as. That’s another reason why I thought Rashaad would get lead back carries down the stretch instead of a RBBC approach. Carroll loves to make himself look good & being a defensive minded guy @ his core he wants a heavy run dose to eat clock and protect his defense. ( a la ZIMMER , any Ryan , Fangio, etc...) That’s their philosophy and ego on the line.
Penny would be smart to take the highest bid if he gets a long term or big guaranteed up front deal. His injury history he shouldn’t take a basic one year prove it deal in hopes of having a full year in hopes of breaking the bank if he goes off. But if that’s what he ends up with as his best option rather than a lowball long term deal he could do worse than re-sign w/ the Seahags if Coach Pete is still around.

Like C. Michael 2.0 Penny doesn’t seem real nuanced @ the position. You just give him the ball & turn him loose and give him a dump off or occasional wheel route out of the backfield. Seems to run all out but not as violent as C. Mike yet has a physicality that seems to work against him. Even in Lions game he appeared winded or exhausted which cost him to sit for a cpl stretches. Maybe he dedicates himself to being better conditioned but he hasn’t shown it so far & unfortunately it’s a part of what they will be basing how they value him on the open market. Penny is a long shot to land anywhere near the contracts a Mixon or Cook got much less a Kamara type contract unless he takes a one year deal and kills it to prove his big finish this year wasn’t an anamoly

If you’re Atl , Miami or such needing a lead RB who would you rather ... Sony or Penny ? (should move this to player debate I know)

[dondickenson]

So first few drives this afternoon and Penny looks just as good against a talented Arizona defense. Already another run of 20 yards. I’m buying everywhere

[nathanq42]

I DONT KNOW HOW TO FEEL

I was a nut sack hair away from dropping him 5 weeks ago....

[FantasyFreak]

I DONT KNOW HOW TO FEEL

I was a nut sack hair away from dropping him 5 weeks ago....

Penny was breaking out a few years ago, when he shredded his knee. He looks fully recovered now, and back to breaking out again. Talent was always there. I looking forward to seeing him again next year. At least we can say Penny>Guice for sure now.

[honcho55]

Dude.

[dondickenson]

Penny is something else rn.

He has 671 yards and 6 TDs rushing in the last 5 games. He has 4 100+ yard rushing games in that span, and all of them were also 130+ yard games. He also has something like 10 20+ yard explosive runs during that time. His advanced stats, yards created etc are through the roof.

To put that into perspective, in the last TWO FULL SEASONS, Zeke has played 32 games. Over those 32 games, he also has 4 100+ yard games, but only 1 130+ yard game. And he only has 4 runs of 20+ yard runs. Zeke has 1/4 the number of 130+ yard games and 2/5 the number of 20+ yard runs, IN ALMOST 6.5x THE NUMBER OF GAMES.

[DynastyDrum30]

As an owner who drafted him and suffered through years of his roster-clogging hell, I don’t know what to think of this. Part of me feels that I have to hold him, the other part says cash out now before he hurts himself again.

[Shoreline Steamers]

I'm hoping Seattle can bring him back on an incentive laden 1-year deal. Given his history, I doubt teams will be lining up to offer him a multi-year deal. But who knows? I think the Hawks could use Penny moving forward, especially with the uncertainty surrounding Carson and his neck injury. It's possible he doesn't play again, and Collins and the other backups aren't the answer for a strong running game.

[nathanq42]

As an owner who drafted him and suffered through years of his roster-clogging hell, I don’t know what to think of this. Part of me feels that I have to hold him, the other part says cash out now before he hurts himself again.

Tell me about it... I'm so absolutely torn. With my luck he will stink it up if I keep him and turn into a God if I move him. I might just throw low ball offers out for solid WRs and see if anyone bites

[mild]

I'm hoping Seattle can bring him back on an incentive laden 1-year deal. Given his history, I doubt teams will be lining up to offer him a multi-year deal. But who knows? I think the Hawks could use Penny moving forward, especially with the uncertainty surrounding Carson and his neck injury. It's possible he doesn't play again, and Collins and the other backups aren't the answer for a strong running game.

I think he entered 2-year contract territory after this stretch run. That will certainly be what his agent is wanting. I'm not certain there's an RB available with more big-play upside on the market this offseason, and that's worth something to proper contenders.

I think a team will sign him as the 1b back, much like what Seattle hoped he could be with Carson all these years. For the few games that it worked before his last injury, it certainly looked potent.