Brandin Cooks - What's Not To Love?

[OhCruelestRanter]

I get the criticism but in real football all the speed in KC made Damien Williams look like an top tier RB.
How do you think a better RB like Johnson is going to do catching underneath routes with those burners on the field and probably more DB's than LB's

Hate it if you like but that HOU offense is going to scare most teams in the NFL.

You can think that the Hopkins trade was bad AND acknowledge that Houston might have a good season. The effects of losing the 2nd for Cooks and losing Hopkins for David Johnson might not be felt this year, but they could be dramatic.

The money difference from a new contract they would need to pay Hopkins and the one they have with Cooks could be the difference needed to lock up Tunsel. They paid 2 firsts for the guy, so he needed to be the priority over Hopkins. The reality was, they couldn't afford Hopkins on a new deal with Tunsel and Watson looming. It really remains to be seen how this all unfolds, but they will have a very different team in a few years, no doubt.

Totally fair. But taking only #40 overall and DJs bad contract while giving a 4th when it seems pretty clear that BOB didn’t shop Hopkins and could have received more for him.

Howie Roseman’s comments in particular reminded me of the frustrated owner in your league who asked about a player last week, only to watch him given away for way less than he would have paid without even touching base.

[FantasyFreak]

You can think that the Hopkins trade was bad AND acknowledge that Houston might have a good season. The effects of losing the 2nd for Cooks and losing Hopkins for David Johnson might not be felt this year, but they could be dramatic.

The money difference from a new contract they would need to pay Hopkins and the one they have with Cooks could be the difference needed to lock up Tunsel. They paid 2 firsts for the guy, so he needed to be the priority over Hopkins. The reality was, they couldn't afford Hopkins on a new deal with Tunsel and Watson looming. It really remains to be seen how this all unfolds, but they will have a very different team in a few years, no doubt.

Totally fair. But taking only #40 overall and DJs bad contract while giving a 4th when it seems pretty clear that BOB didn’t shop Hopkins and could have received more for him.

Howie Roseman’s comments in particular reminded me of the frustrated owner in your league who asked about a player last week, only to watch him given away for way less than he would have paid without even touching base.

What comments were those? These ones?

https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/eagl ... rade-talks

What I got out of it is the Eagles didn't want to give up picks in rounds 1 or 2, but offered players for Hopkins. It seems like if he did call Bob after the fact, that Bob said he liked DJ, and the 2nd over the players the Eagles offered. They didn't seem keen on the contract situation of Hopkins, either. I would have loved Hopkins in Philly, having Wentz in a lot of places, but it seems they valued their early picks more, and despite what some others said, it looks like there was no way they were giving up a first.

[OhCruelestRanter]

The money difference from a new contract they would need to pay Hopkins and the one they have with Cooks could be the difference needed to lock up Tunsel. They paid 2 firsts for the guy, so he needed to be the priority over Hopkins. The reality was, they couldn't afford Hopkins on a new deal with Tunsel and Watson looming. It really remains to be seen how this all unfolds, but they will have a very different team in a few years, no doubt.

Totally fair. But taking only #40 overall and DJs bad contract while giving a 4th when it seems pretty clear that BOB didn’t shop Hopkins and could have received more for him.

Howie Roseman’s comments in particular reminded me of the frustrated owner in your league who asked about a player last week, only to watch him given away for way less than he would have paid without even touching base.

What comments were those? These ones?

https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/eagl ... rade-talks

What I got out of it is the Eagles didn't want to give up picks in rounds 1 or 2, but offered players for Hopkins. It seems like if he did call Bob after the fact, that Bob said he liked DJ, and the 2nd over the players the Eagles offered. They didn't seem keen on the contract situation of Hopkins, either. I would have loved Hopkins in Philly, having Wentz in a lot of places, but it seems they valued their early picks more, and despite what some others said, it looks like there was no way they were giving up a first.

My takeaway is that it’s pretty clear Roseman thought his offer was comprehensively better. Maybe he didn’t offer the first, but who knows if he was willing to pay it. It seems weird that Stefon Diggs earner such a bigger haul, even when you compare his contract with the one that Hopkins wants, no?

[Lotto4Life]

Haven't seen details of the new CBA. Any chance the salary cap gets lowered the next couple of years?

[FantasyFreak]

Totally fair. But taking only #40 overall and DJs bad contract while giving a 4th when it seems pretty clear that BOB didn’t shop Hopkins and could have received more for him.

Howie Roseman’s comments in particular reminded me of the frustrated owner in your league who asked about a player last week, only to watch him given away for way less than he would have paid without even touching base.

What comments were those? These ones?

https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/eagl ... rade-talks

What I got out of it is the Eagles didn't want to give up picks in rounds 1 or 2, but offered players for Hopkins. It seems like if he did call Bob after the fact, that Bob said he liked DJ, and the 2nd over the players the Eagles offered. They didn't seem keen on the contract situation of Hopkins, either. I would have loved Hopkins in Philly, having Wentz in a lot of places, but it seems they valued their early picks more, and despite what some others said, it looks like there was no way they were giving up a first.

My takeaway is that it’s pretty clear Roseman thought his offer was comprehensively better. Maybe he didn’t offer the first, but who knows if he was willing to pay it. It seems weird that Stefon Diggs earner such a bigger haul, even when you compare his contract with the one that Hopkins wants, no?

Yeah, I think he did think his offer was better. However he did say that he didn't want to give up picks, and the contract was a concern, so I think he offered players, which contracts that's totals probably matched Hopkins on a new deal in value, which I doubt the Texans wanted. It also seems like that early 2nd Arizona offered was a big part of it.

What their ask is for us may be different, depending on their valuation of players they get in trades or where draft picks are."

'We talked about this. Why would you do it for this?' And they'll say, 'Well, I really like this player' or 'I like where this pick is.' So, I think there's a lot that goes into it, and we're not always in control of the results on that. And then, in terms of what we did there with draft picks, yeah, ideally, we didn't wanna give up any draft picks."

So it seems like they valued DJ, and that pick slot, and they also didn't want to give up picks (which they did for Slay, but only a 3rd and 5th) so it's highly unlikely they were offering anything in picks similar to what the Cards did. Most likely players, like I said, in my opinion.

As for Diggs, it's pretty clear the Bills probably over payed.

[OhCruelestRanter]

What comments were those? These ones?

https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/eagl ... rade-talks

What I got out of it is the Eagles didn't want to give up picks in rounds 1 or 2, but offered players for Hopkins. It seems like if he did call Bob after the fact, that Bob said he liked DJ, and the 2nd over the players the Eagles offered. They didn't seem keen on the contract situation of Hopkins, either. I would have loved Hopkins in Philly, having Wentz in a lot of places, but it seems they valued their early picks more, and despite what some others said, it looks like there was no way they were giving up a first.

My takeaway is that it’s pretty clear Roseman thought his offer was comprehensively better. Maybe he didn’t offer the first, but who knows if he was willing to pay it. It seems weird that Stefon Diggs earner such a bigger haul, even when you compare his contract with the one that Hopkins wants, no?

Yeah, I think he did think his offer was better. However he did say that he didn't want to give up picks, and the contract was a concern, so I think he offered players, which contracts that's totals probably matched Hopkins on a new deal in value, which I doubt the Texans wanted. It also seems like that early 2nd Arizona offered was a big part of it.

What their ask is for us may be different, depending on their valuation of players they get in trades or where draft picks are."

'We talked about this. Why would you do it for this?' And they'll say, 'Well, I really like this player' or 'I like where this pick is.' So, I think there's a lot that goes into it, and we're not always in control of the results on that. And then, in terms of what we did there with draft picks, yeah, ideally, we didn't wanna give up any draft picks."

So it seems like they valued DJ, and that pick slot, and they also didn't want to give up picks (which they did for Slay, but only a 3rd and 5th) so it's highly unlikely they were offering anything in picks similar to what the Cards did. Most likely players, like I said, in my opinion.

As for Diggs, it's pretty clear the Bills probably over payed.

Completely agree. We'll never know if BOB tried to get them to overpay for Hopkins or not.

[Pullo Vision]

Anyone looking at the TEs in Houston? It’s clear that the team has lots of downfield presence and Cobb seems a solid slot option, but I would think there is still a lot of value to be had underneath.

Yep, curious if they keep their current depth chart or add to it. Been stashing Warring for awhile.

[Jigga94]

That is interesting. Fells and Akins both had decent seasons last year for TE. Fells moreso now that I look at the numbers. With all this speed on the outside, I wonder if they use the TE even more over the middle or if one of these WR will be used exclusively in the slot.

[Sriracha]

That is interesting. Fells and Akins both had decent seasons last year for TE. Fells moreso now that I look at the numbers. With all this speed on the outside, I wonder if they use the TE even more over the middle or if one of these WR will be used exclusively in the slot.

Fells and Akins are pretty JAGish. Kahale Warring is the name to watch for: started football his senior year of high school, very raw prospect entering the league; but is a natural receiver with good athleticism, and YAC ability.... though he might still be too raw to take the reigns in 2020.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

It’s hard to look at this without the context of the Hopkins deal. Having said that, they gave less than a late second to get a talented 26 year old WR with significant injury concerns on what is now a very reasonable contract. It’s a relatively good trade.

I agree with this. It's a good injury discount on a talented WR that will likely help this win now team more in 20/21 than the 57th pick. It's a decent deal, just doesn't make up for the dumb Hopkins trade.
On the Hopkins trade, Does it seem like BOB just values RBs a lot higher than the rest of the league? They also gave up a 3rd for Duke and a 5th for Hyde last year.

[FantasyFreak]

It’s hard to look at this without the context of the Hopkins deal. Having said that, they gave less than a late second to get a talented 26 year old WR with significant injury concerns on what is now a very reasonable contract. It’s a relatively good trade.

I agree with this. It's a good injury discount on a talented WR that will likely help this win now team more in 20/21 than the 57th pick. It's a decent deal, just doesn't make up for the dumb Hopkins trade.
On the Hopkins trade, Does it seem like BOB just values RBs a lot higher than the rest of the league? They also gave up a 3rd for Duke and a 5th for Hyde last year.

Hyde did put up 1000 yards and helped their playoff run. Not terrible use of a 5th. Will they get a comp pick for losing him as a FA, too?

[Ice]

I get the criticism but in real football all the speed in KC made Damien Williams look like an top tier RB.
How do you think a better RB like Johnson is going to do catching underneath routes with those burners on the field and probably more DB's than LB's

Hate it if you like but that HOU offense is going to scare most teams in the NFL.

Have to agree with this. The Texans are going to scare a lot of teams next season. They have a solid QB and now they have team speed. Sounds a bit like the Ravens and KC.

For all those that think the Texans coach is an idiot, remember when many thought he was nuts for trading Clowney to Seattle.

He got Mingo, Martin, and a 3rd rounder..What did Seattle get again..... a few games as Clowney didn't resign.

Hopkins is a good WR but highly doubt his stats will be as good this year. People might want to move past that move and wait and see. This Coach/GM makes bold moves and so far his track record isn't terrible.

Texans have won back to back division titles.

[OhCruelestRanter]

I get the criticism but in real football all the speed in KC made Damien Williams look like an top tier RB.
How do you think a better RB like Johnson is going to do catching underneath routes with those burners on the field and probably more DB's than LB's

Hate it if you like but that HOU offense is going to scare most teams in the NFL.

Have to agree with this. The Texans are going to scare a lot of teams next season. They have a solid QB and now they have team speed. Sounds a bit like the Ravens and KC.

For all those that think the Texans coach is an idiot, remember when many thought he was nuts for trading Clowney to Seattle.

He got Mingo, Martin, and a 3rd rounder..What did Seattle get again..... a few games as Clowney didn't resign.

Hopkins is a good WR but highly doubt his stats will be as good this year. People might want to move past that move and wait and see. This Coach/GM makes bold moves and so far his track record isn't terrible.

Texans have won back to back division titles.

Martin and Mingo are non-factors and Clowney should net a 3rd round compensatory pick.

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

I get the criticism but in real football all the speed in KC made Damien Williams look like an top tier RB.
How do you think a better RB like Johnson is going to do catching underneath routes with those burners on the field and probably more DB's than LB's

Hate it if you like but that HOU offense is going to scare most teams in the NFL.

Have to agree with this. The Texans are going to scare a lot of teams next season. They have a solid QB and now they have team speed. Sounds a bit like the Ravens and KC.

For all those that think the Texans coach is an idiot, remember when many thought he was nuts for trading Clowney to Seattle.

He got Mingo, Martin, and a 3rd rounder..What did Seattle get again..... a few games as Clowney didn't resign.

Hopkins is a good WR but highly doubt his stats will be as good this year. People might want to move past that move and wait and see. This Coach/GM makes bold moves and so far his track record isn't terrible.

Texans have won back to back division titles.

Martin and Mingo are non-factors and Clowney should net a 3rd round compensatory pick.

Not if he signs after mid may.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Have to agree with this. The Texans are going to scare a lot of teams next season. They have a solid QB and now they have team speed. Sounds a bit like the Ravens and KC.

For all those that think the Texans coach is an idiot, remember when many thought he was nuts for trading Clowney to Seattle.

He got Mingo, Martin, and a 3rd rounder..What did Seattle get again..... a few games as Clowney didn't resign.

Hopkins is a good WR but highly doubt his stats will be as good this year. People might want to move past that move and wait and see. This Coach/GM makes bold moves and so far his track record isn't terrible.

Texans have won back to back division titles.

Martin and Mingo are non-factors and Clowney should net a 3rd round compensatory pick.

Not if he signs after mid may.

Which is conceivable, and is probably why he remains unsigned. You’re right, and it’s why I phrased that as “should” instead of “will”. I wonder how motivated Clowney’s camp is to get a contract before the draft?