Stop calling Sammy Watkins a stud

[pvillebiker]

Laughing at all the fine peeps so pained that the Chefs (over)paid the $16 mill per for Sammy, as if it's their $ or that it matters if they actually overpaid. This if fantasy football. There's no crying in fantasy -- oh wait wrong narrative -- all we care is if he scores points or not. I'm betting he does in Reid's offense, but I suspect Sammy's production will more resemble Cooks boom-or-bust stat lines than his good 1/2 season in Buffalo. At least the first year while junior is learning the ropes.

oh yeah, Robert Woods is gonna fold like the lawn chair he is unless the rams bring in legit WR1 replacement. To intentionally mis-quote Clint, "the rams are looking for a few good WR's, and you ain't it Robert Woods!" LOL

[Jfever]

I disagree on the Robert Woods thought. I think there is more to that kid. He may not be an NFL prototypical wr1, but, he had good to great chemistry with Goff. That shouldn't be minimized as much as it is around here if we are all being objective and honest.

[TryingToWin]

Anyone on this forum should know by now, I am a HUGE Sammy truther. I love his talent.

But every time someone says "They wouldn't have paid him $16M/y to be an ancillary piece", I can't help but think "Ok but didn't we say the same thing about the Rams paying a 2nd for him??".

2nd round picks are real capital. Teams don't just throw them around lightly.

Actually, no, 2nd round picks are not real capital. Plain and simple, they’re not. Try telling an owner that signs checks from his money that a 2nd round pick has any sort of monetary semblance to $48 million. One options costs them nothing, the other costs $48 million.

[metalmat]

I continue to think Mahomes is the real deal and this only helps him

[Cameron Giles]

I disagree on the Robert Woods thought. I think there is more to that kid. He may not be an NFL prototypical wr1, but, he had good to great chemistry with Goff. That shouldn't be minimized as much as it is around here if we are all being objective and honest.

I doubt Woods will fold in half, but it's worth noting that Watkins ran more downfield routes than all Rams WR's and took away the opponent's best CB. Now, Woods will be tasked with this. It's a significant adjustment.

[gateway400]

I am on the fence. One side of me, as a Watkins owner, wants to believe he won't face much double coverage so this could be amazing for fantasy. My assumption is defensive coordinators will try to neutralize Hill as much as possible. The other side of me believes he could struggle to get 1,000 yards with so many mouths to feed. I think the Brandin Cooks/Desean Jackson comparisons could be legit. 6 receptions 180 yards 2 TDs one week.....2 receptions 20 yards 0 TDs the following week.

[Bot101]

I am on the fence. One side of me, as a Watkins owner, wants to believe he won't face much double coverage so this could be amazing for fantasy. My assumption is defensive coordinators will try to neutralize Hill as much as possible. The other side of me believes he could struggle to get 1,000 yards with so many mouths to feed. I think the Brandin Cooks/Desean Jackson comparisons could be legit. 6 receptions 180 yards 2 TDs one week.....2 receptions 20 yards 0 TDs the following week.

I think you're backwards on this. They will put the 6'1" 210 lb Watkins as the X and the 5'10" 185 lb
Hill as the flanker. Which receiver do defenses usually put their #1 corner on?

[gateway400]

I am on the fence. One side of me, as a Watkins owner, wants to believe he won't face much double coverage so this could be amazing for fantasy. My assumption is defensive coordinators will try to neutralize Hill as much as possible. The other side of me believes he could struggle to get 1,000 yards with so many mouths to feed. I think the Brandin Cooks/Desean Jackson comparisons could be legit. 6 receptions 180 yards 2 TDs one week.....2 receptions 20 yards 0 TDs the following week.

I think you're backwards on this. They will put the 6'1" 210 lb Watkins as the X and the 5'10" 185 lb
Hill as the flanker. Which receiver do defenses usually put their #1 corner on?

I'm not sure that I understand how your question relates here. My assumption of doubling the extremely versatile Z....would likely put the best corner on the X. I'm confused about what your trying to disprove/argue with me about here. If you were a defensive coordinator, who would you be most worried about making you look foolish....for me, it'd be Hill.

[broncohead]

Watkins doesn't have a #1 CB follow him with the rams and it won't happen with kc...

[Bot101]

I am on the fence. One side of me, as a Watkins owner, wants to believe he won't face much double coverage so this could be amazing for fantasy. My assumption is defensive coordinators will try to neutralize Hill as much as possible. The other side of me believes he could struggle to get 1,000 yards with so many mouths to feed. I think the Brandin Cooks/Desean Jackson comparisons could be legit. 6 receptions 180 yards 2 TDs one week.....2 receptions 20 yards 0 TDs the following week.

I think you're backwards on this. They will put the 6'1" 210 lb Watkins as the X and the 5'10" 185 lb
Hill as the flanker. Which receiver do defenses usually put their #1 corner on?

I'm not sure that I understand how your question relates here. My assumption of doubling the extremely versatile Z....would likely put the best corner on the X. I'm confused about what your trying to disprove/argue with me about here. If you were a defensive coordinator, who would you be most worried about making you look foolish....for me, it'd be Hill.

""What a lot of people forget is that the actual league really doesn’t look at it in terms of “wide receiver one” and “wide receiver two” based on past or weekly production. They look at the individual positions: split end, flanker, slot, tight end.

A team like the Chiefs that has a TE that plays nearly every snap and has a fullback will run a lot of TE, split end (X), flanker sets (Z). So you have choose one WR to play split end and have his foot tethered to the line of scrimmage while the other WR plays flanker a yard back where he can go in motion etc. Who are the Chiefs gunna have at the X most the time - 5’10 185 pound Tyreek or 6’1 210 pound Sammy?

So what you will likely see is having Sammy face a lot of the big physical corners in press coverage which for a lot of teams is their best corner (an example of an exception would be the year the Pats had Brandon Browner typically cover the biggest receiver because of his size and then have Darrelle Revis lock down the flanker for most of the game). Regardless, Sammy is going to face a lot of jams and his signing should really go a long way in helping Tyreek but it’s yet to be seen how much it will help his own value. Gotta remember that Sammy actually faced the better coverage for most of the year while Robert Woods flourished.""

Someone sent that post to me from wherever he gets his dynasty info from. So thats not my take, just very well laid out and detailed.

[DrNoish]

I love this signing for KC. They seemed to have a hard time closing games and though a long spurts, weren't quite as high powered as they apparently desired. Teams seem to be better lately on surrounding their apparent franchise QB's with talent. I love Sammy and his upside, only sold him for realized upside rather than hoping. It'll still be a "wait and see" deal, but the optimism is that it will be very difficult for teams to look for runs with both Sammy and Hill stretching everything and Kelce mopping up. Sammy could win going here, but I think all other KC skill players truly win in this. Wish I had Mahomes shares right now.

[lukkynumber13]

Anyone on this forum should know by now, I am a HUGE Sammy truther. I love his talent.

But every time someone says "They wouldn't have paid him $16M/y to be an ancillary piece", I can't help but think "Ok but didn't we say the same thing about the Rams paying a 2nd for him??".

2nd round picks are real capital. Teams don't just throw them around lightly.

Actually, no, 2nd round picks are not real capital. Plain and simple, they’re not. Try telling an owner that signs checks from his money that a 2nd round pick has any sort of monetary semblance to $48 million. One options costs them nothing, the other costs $48 million.

If you're gonna argue that 2nd round picks aren't looked at as hugely valuable to NFL teams, then we aren't in the same universe. I don't know how else to say it. 2nd round picks are not tossed around lightly.

[ppm]

Excellent fit for the Chiefs, not so good for Watkins' fantasy value. An upgrade from the Rams but very disappointing considering the 49ers and Packers were possibilities. Hill lives and dies on big plays rather than volume so I don't think this hurts him and it could potentially help. Mahomes is legit so this offense should be really fun to watch if Andy Reid doesn't get in his own way.

[TryingToWin]

Anyone on this forum should know by now, I am a HUGE Sammy truther. I love his talent.

But every time someone says "They wouldn't have paid him $16M/y to be an ancillary piece", I can't help but think "Ok but didn't we say the same thing about the Rams paying a 2nd for him??".

2nd round picks are real capital. Teams don't just throw them around lightly.

Actually, no, 2nd round picks are not real capital. Plain and simple, they’re not. Try telling an owner that signs checks from his money that a 2nd round pick has any sort of monetary semblance to $48 million. One options costs them nothing, the other costs $48 million.

If you're gonna argue that 2nd round picks aren't looked at as hugely valuable to NFL teams, then we aren't in the same universe. I don't know how else to say it. 2nd round picks are not tossed around lightly.

They aren’t tossed around lightly but they aren’t $48 million dollars.

[dmac37]

My initial reaction as a Sammy owner was "really" and "oh crap". After seeing what they paid him, I got to believe he will see a decent amount of targets.

I also have a little different view that probably won't be very popular, Kelce's targets may go down. Seems to me he was being used like a WR, because of his talent and out of necessity. I think bringing Sammy in at that price changes Kelce's route running "some".