I think he's going to have to do this a little more consistently before his trade value moves at all. I don't think 1 good game is going to net you any profitremedy29 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:58 pmFantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:18 pm 5/113 and the game breaking TD on 7 targets for this scrub.
Question is, does this game move the needle on his trade value? I assume it does slightly, up from being nonexistent.
Henry Ruggs is Much More Than Speed
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Re: Henry Ruggs is Much More Than Speed
I don't think his trade value has increased significantly. That's a half full, half empty situation.
Half empty is current Ruggs owners who don't need him won't be able to trade him for great value.
Half full is owners who don't have Ruggs should be able to acquire him a less than true value, if they move quickly. Another two or three weeks of this and his value will increase a little more.
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Re: Henry Ruggs is Much More Than Speed
Yeah this for the same reason that those pronouncing him dead are way too early.... those who are using this 1 week and 1 deep catch to back their arguments are a bit overzealous.ThunderTung wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:15 amI think he's going to have to do this a little more consistently before his trade value moves at all. I don't think 1 good game is going to net you any profitremedy29 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:58 pmFantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:18 pm 5/113 and the game breaking TD on 7 targets for this scrub.
Question is, does this game move the needle on his trade value? I assume it does slightly, up from being nonexistent.
It's a good sign, but I need to see way more of it. Otherwise he's a John Brown
Re: Henry Ruggs is Much More Than Speed
Ruggs may be one the best buys in fantasy but he is clearly one of the worst sells. Ruggs has his entire career ahead of him. If you can buy him cheap good for you but if you sell him cheap then you will regret it IMO.
Ruggs is on target watch going forward. His 7 targets week 2 followed 5 which tied his previous high in targets last year.
If Ruggs can approach 7 targets per game he will get over 100 targets this year and with his speed he will be a lock weekly starter. He is tracking in that direction and his QB is playing lights out.
Ruggs is on target watch going forward. His 7 targets week 2 followed 5 which tied his previous high in targets last year.
If Ruggs can approach 7 targets per game he will get over 100 targets this year and with his speed he will be a lock weekly starter. He is tracking in that direction and his QB is playing lights out.
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Yeah that is what is going to be fun to watch. The Raiders when all their WR are healthy now have 4 really good weapons in Waller, Edwards, Renfrow and Ruggs, all of whom fit a different role (imho). 3 of whom are still refining their game. So like I said in a different thread - I could see a 800-1000 yard season for Renfrow - and with a 17 game season you could see all of them with 800+ yards (and obviously 1100-1200 for Waller) because Carr is quite good at spreading the ball & reading the progressions.
Its going to be a case of health, game script & luck (Edward for example had another near TD in Week 2). I still think Ruggs will be more nfl value than fantasy value in 2021 - but that will depend on your league & roster needs.
Its going to be a case of health, game script & luck (Edward for example had another near TD in Week 2). I still think Ruggs will be more nfl value than fantasy value in 2021 - but that will depend on your league & roster needs.
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I agree with fantasy value for 2021 but I remained convince that Ruggs has the highest upside from their WR group by a decent margin. I think by next year we could see something similar, although probably not as prolific, to what we see with Kelce and Tyreek.ArrylT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:02 am Yeah that is what is going to be fun to watch. The Raiders when all their WR are healthy now have 4 really good weapons in Waller, Edwards, Renfrow and Ruggs, all of whom fit a different role (imho). 3 of whom are still refining their game. So like I said in a different thread - I could see a 800-1000 yard season for Renfrow - and with a 17 game season you could see all of them with 800+ yards (and obviously 1100-1200 for Waller) because Carr is quite good at spreading the ball & reading the progressions.
Its going to be a case of health, game script & luck (Edward for example had another near TD in Week 2). I still think Ruggs will be more nfl value than fantasy value in 2021 - but that will depend on your league & roster needs.
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Ruggs made a couple of fantastic toe tap sideline grabs today, and a really nice leaping contested catch with X Howard covering him. He had a step on a deep ball too, that Carr just put a little too far out in front. A solid performace on the back of last week. 4/78 and 1 run for 7 yards. Becoming a bigger part of the offense this year.
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It looks like the game is slowing down and the confidence is starting to show. Loved the catch he had on the wheel route. Showing some athleticism and getting both feet down.
Great contested catch on Howard as well.
Back to back seven target games with good production. Looks like we may be getting somewhere.
Great contested catch on Howard as well.
Back to back seven target games with good production. Looks like we may be getting somewhere.
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Yeah that was a great step forward. Very pleased to see it - and will be quite happy if Ruggs becomes as fantasy relevant as he is showing the Raiders to be team relevant. Definitely open to changing my projections on when he can become relevant based on games like this.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:55 pm Ruggs made a couple of fantastic toe tap sideline grabs today, and a really nice leaping contested catch with X Howard covering him. He had a step on a deep ball too, that Carr just put a little too far out in front. A solid performace on the back of last week. 4/78 and 1 run for 7 yards. Becoming a bigger part of the offense this year.
And like I said before, this is looking to be a great quartet with Edwards, Renfrow & Waller. If this keeps up we'll be able to put it on par (not in terms of individual talent but in terms of team cohesion with each WR well suited for their role) with TB, Dallas, Denver(if Jeudy was healthy), and perhaps LA Rams as being one of the best quartets (3 WR & 1 TE) in the NFL.
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Let's slow down a scosche on that...ArrylT wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:18 pmYeah that was a great step forward. Very pleased to see it - and will be quite happy if Ruggs becomes as fantasy relevant as he is showing the Raiders to be team relevant. Definitely open to changing my projections on when he can become relevant based on games like this.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:55 pm Ruggs made a couple of fantastic toe tap sideline grabs today, and a really nice leaping contested catch with X Howard covering him. He had a step on a deep ball too, that Carr just put a little too far out in front. A solid performace on the back of last week. 4/78 and 1 run for 7 yards. Becoming a bigger part of the offense this year.
And like I said before, this is looking to be a great quartet with Edwards, Renfrow & Waller. If this keeps up we'll be able to put it on par (not in terms of individual talent but in terms of team cohesion with each WR well suited for their role) with TB, Dallas, Denver(if Jeudy was healthy), and perhaps LA Rams as being one of the best quartets (3 WR & 1 TE) in the NFL.
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Re: Henry Ruggs is Much More Than Speed
I love to hate the bumbling Raiders brain trust with the best of them, but he's not completely off-base.
Waller is really doing the heavy lifting for the legitimacy of that claim. They're definitely in the conversation, albiet in a "cracked-out Vegas-strip discount bargain-bin" kinda way. (Nobody is mistaking Henry Ruggs for Tyreek Hill yet, or Bryan Edwards for Mike Evans/Godwin... but if you've had some beeeeers, thennnn... )
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ArrylT wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:18 pm And like I said before, this is looking to be a great quartet with Edwards, Renfrow & Waller. If this keeps up we'll be able to put it on par (not in terms of individual talent but in terms of team cohesion with each WR well suited for their role) with TB, Dallas, Denver(if Jeudy was healthy), and perhaps LA Rams as being one of the best quartets (3 WR & 1 TE) in the NFL.
Already better than Denver. Denver is not a top6 receiving corps team to me.
Dallas is difficult for me to guage. They have a great group of WRs, but I don't know if Dallas is Top6 for overall receiving, much less Top4. IMO, having a great receiving corps means having an above-average TE and above-average receiving RB. I don't see the TE on the Cowboys.
I love the Raiders' receiving corps. Every piece (possibly except Waller) is hugely underrated. And what a shame I don't own any shares of LVR, not in keepers, not in redraft.
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Re: Henry Ruggs is Much More Than Speed
Well 3/60 on 6 targets. 7 really, as the DPI didn't count as one. Almost had the one for a 46 yard gain on the DPI, and Carr just missed him on a tough throw on the run 55 yards down field that would have been a score. Had Bosa not got the pressure, he most likely connects. Another encouraging game for Ruggs in year 2, for a FF outlook.
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To me, week 4 further emphasizes that Ruggs is nothing more than speed. When Ruggs can be used successfully on plays other than go routes, then he will show advancement as a player, like the crossing route that was unsuccessful yesterday.
On a positive side, Ruggs is on pace for 100+ targets, which should keep him in WR3 territory.
Through 4 weeks, Ruggs is looking like a boom or bust WR3 type player.
For fantasy stats;
1 week of WR1 numbers.
2 weeks if WR3 numbers.
1 week of garbage.
On a positive side, Ruggs is on pace for 100+ targets, which should keep him in WR3 territory.
Through 4 weeks, Ruggs is looking like a boom or bust WR3 type player.
For fantasy stats;
1 week of WR1 numbers.
2 weeks if WR3 numbers.
1 week of garbage.
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I'll take what we've seen since Week 1. He still has to continue developing to become a more rounded WR and get those opportunities, but he is at least becoming a much more reliable player and making tougher catches in traffic. Ruggs won three times deep. Carr got him once, he drew DPI on another, and Carr missed him on the other.remedy29 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:48 am To me, week 4 further emphasizes that Ruggs is nothing more than speed. When Ruggs can be used successfully on plays other than go routes, then he will show advancement as a player, like the crossing route that was unsuccessful yesterday.
On a positive side, Ruggs is on pace for 100+ targets, which should keep him in WR3 territory.
Through 4 weeks, Ruggs is looking like a boom or bust WR3 type player.
For fantasy stats;
1 week of WR1 numbers.
2 weeks if WR3 numbers.
1 week of garbage.
My takeaway from the last three weeks wouldn't be that he is just speed though, but it's certainly something they need to open up the offense. Either way, he looks like he's taking a notable step this year.
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