DJ Moore, WR, Carolina: Worried about Robby Anderson?

[tresskid84]

Curtis Samuel had 11.6 YPR last year and 11.4 over his career. I haven’t looked at his routes in detail, but is he really competing for the same balls that Anderson will be expected to catch? The team also totalled like 3600 yards in the air last year and Rivera was always heavy on the run. Joe Brady was brought in to run a spread offense, which will fit Teddy pretty well I think and there should be a significant uptick in yards. Maybe I’m just overly optimistic, but I don’t know that this is necessarily a huge hit to Samuel. If anything, I’d worry about Anderson given I’m not all that convinced that Teddy has an elite deep ball.

This . . . I think for fantasy, Robby is the one I worry about taking a fantasy hit and that he will be very boom or bust (though I think it will be successful in real football terms). I actually think DJ and Samuel will be perfectly fine (especially considering they don't have a competent TE, come at me Ian Thomas truthers, lol). Curtis is best suited as a yac monster and DJ works extremely well with where Teddy historically wins as a passer. Obviously CMC isn't going anywhere and will take up a large number of targets, but like ericanadian says, i'd expect the offense to also be much better this year, creating more opportunities for everyone involved.

[Pullo Vision]

Seeing alot of pessimism for the Rhule/McAdoo offense. Saw a report that Carolina might look to retain Mayfield for 2023.

With Rhule on the hottest of hot seats, and the offense looking ugly, there's a good chance the entire coaching is gone by Black Monday.

Assuming DJM's 2022 production prospects get faded and maybe even getting benched, how're you approaching him for next year? Will he continue to be a low TD receiver, or could a better scheme/QB unlock him?

[murphysxm]

Seeing alot of pessimism for the Rhule/McAdoo offense. Saw a report that Carolina might look to retain Mayfield for 2023.

With Rhule on the hottest of hot seats, and the offense looking ugly, there's a good chance the entire coaching is gone by Black Monday.

Assuming DJM's 2022 production prospects get faded and maybe even getting benched, how're you approaching him for next year? Will he continue to be a low TD receiver, or could a better scheme/QB unlock him?

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

[Jigga94]

DJM has been in my lineup pretty much ever since trading for him or drafting him. The lack of TD suck. It wipes out his ceiling as a WR1. For me though, he's more of a WR2 or 3 and puts up consistent #s. I couldn't imagine benching him really, even though I have WR like Amari or Gabe Davis on the bench

[Jigga94]

Seeing alot of pessimism for the Rhule/McAdoo offense. Saw a report that Carolina might look to retain Mayfield for 2023.

With Rhule on the hottest of hot seats, and the offense looking ugly, there's a good chance the entire coaching is gone by Black Monday.

Assuming DJM's 2022 production prospects get faded and maybe even getting benched, how're you approaching him for next year? Will he continue to be a low TD receiver, or could a better scheme/QB unlock him?

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

[bjd5211]

Seeing alot of pessimism for the Rhule/McAdoo offense. Saw a report that Carolina might look to retain Mayfield for 2023.

With Rhule on the hottest of hot seats, and the offense looking ugly, there's a good chance the entire coaching is gone by Black Monday.

Assuming DJM's 2022 production prospects get faded and maybe even getting benched, how're you approaching him for next year? Will he continue to be a low TD receiver, or could a better scheme/QB unlock him?

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

Zero good ones.

[murphysxm]

Seeing alot of pessimism for the Rhule/McAdoo offense. Saw a report that Carolina might look to retain Mayfield for 2023.

With Rhule on the hottest of hot seats, and the offense looking ugly, there's a good chance the entire coaching is gone by Black Monday.

Assuming DJM's 2022 production prospects get faded and maybe even getting benched, how're you approaching him for next year? Will he continue to be a low TD receiver, or could a better scheme/QB unlock him?

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

[Jigga94]

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

How many Alpha WR1 are in the NFL? 10? And what are the worst QBs those WRs have produced with?

The alphas that come to mind have all played with good to great QB (at least better than that list above). Hopkins numbers tanked with Osweilier. Who are the alphas who have produced in spite of terrible QB play?

Forget QB play even, just put DJM on an offense that actually scored and his TD would most likely double

[Pullo Vision]

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

Is that an ARSB reference?

[Jigga94]

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

Is that an ARSB reference?

I'd take Goff still over any of those QBs above

[nathanq42]

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

I agree as long as they get force fed targets (Olave getting 13 from Winston, Evans back in the day getting peppered by Winston, Garret Wilson getting 14 from Flacco, Cooper getting 10 from Brissett, ARSB getting 12 targets from Goff, etc. Any game DJM has gotten double digit targets he has only had under 14 points 3/23 games, and has averaged 6.7 catches for 90 yards and .17 TDs (4 TDs in 23 games with double digit targets, yuuuck) good for 16.7 points on average.

His problem isn't skill imo, it is getting a QB and coach that utilize him more than the 6 targets a game he has gotten so far

[YouMightDieTryin]

Watch the tape on Moore. He's consistently getting open. Wide open at times. And the ball just doesn't come his way. That's not his fault.

[hoos89]

I agree as long as they get force fed targets (Olave getting 13 from Winston, Evans back in the day getting peppered by Winston, Garret Wilson getting 14 from Flacco, Cooper getting 10 from Brissett, ARSB getting 12 targets from Goff, etc.

Also being on an offense that can sustain drives and score points. He's done pretty well so far in his career given the QBs and offenses he's been saddled with. How many WRs in NFL history have consistently hit numbers materially better than 90/1200/4 with QB play as bad as DJM has had to deal with in his career?

Also Jameis may not be the best real life QB, but he's always been solid for supporting fantasy WR production. Look no further than his 2019 season: 5k yards, 30+ TDs, but 30+ INTs. DJM would be a top 6 fantasy WR if he had a QB put up those numbers.

I've never been worried about his talent, but I'm now very worried about him being stuck in this organization pretty much through his entire prime...he's not a UFA until 2026.

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

In 2016 with Osweiler, Nuk put up 78/954/4, which is worse than all but DJM's rookie year. WRs can't throw themselves the ball.

[ericanadian]

I am starting to think he is what he is. How many schemes and QB's has he had the chance to show more with?

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

Randy Moss struggled with Andrew Walter & Aaron Brooks.

[Mjvb5]

Not saying you're wrong, but the list of QB are abysmal. I'd dare you to rank these lol

Teddy
Heinicke
Darnold
Kyle Allen
PJ Walker
Will Grier
Cam (washed up version)
Baker

No disagreement here, but alpha WR's still produce despite the thrower of the football

Randy Moss struggled with Andrew Walter & Aaron Brooks.

Nuk with Brock lobster stands out to me