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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:54 pm

What about the greatest WR that anyone has ever scouted

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby nathanq42 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:58 pm

100% helps imo. I think he can join that "elite WR2" group of Gallup, juju, Ridley, Godwin. Would he be as good as the uncontested #1 option? No. But with Hopkins taking all of the heat, I think he can abuse 3rd on the depth chart DBs/starting LBs operating out of the slot.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby fruity pebbles » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:03 pm

Don’t see how it helps, he wasn’t a #1 before and now you are essentially taking 150 targets out of the mix.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 pm

#2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby ckrumm24 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:46 pm

I think it hurts his perceived value so I might be throwing out a low ball offer for him.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:56 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 pm
#2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.
Sure, but is he going to be getting almost 9 targets a game with Hopkins and his 150ish a year stepping in? Probably not. I have little interest in Kirk, myself. He has scored 3 TD's a year, and all of his TD's last year came in 1 game vs the leagues best pass D. I'd buy for a mid 2nd, beyond that, I don't want to pay the price.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby mild » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:58 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
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What about the greatest WR that anyone has ever scouted
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby fruity pebbles » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pm

Kirk is a guy who did about as little with the number of targets given as humanly possible. When a guy comes in who commands 150 targets himself, I don’t have high hopes for a guy who needs a lot of targets to put up points.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby Kmani6 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:01 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:56 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 pm
#2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.
Sure, but is he going to be getting almost 9 targets a game with Hopkins and his 150ish a year stepping in? Probably not. I have little interest in Kirk, myself. He has scored 3 TD's a year, and all of his TD's last year came in 1 game vs the leagues best pass D. I'd buy for a mid 2nd, beyond that, I don't want to pay the price.

He definitely could. JuJu, Gallup, Boyd, Godwin have all been able to command targets next to an elite counterpart. Now Kliff has the right weapons for his air raid offense, not just a bunch of rookies. With the improved Oline help as well the air raid can fully take off, which is a huge pre requisite for this offense.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby Kmani6 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 pm

fruity pebbles wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pm
Kirk is a guy who did about as little with the number of targets given as humanly possible. When a guy comes in who commands 150 targets himself, I don’t have high hopes for a guy who needs a lot of targets to put up points.
Well there’s a good argument to be made that Kirk is a high upside WR2 and not a WR1. Also cut him some slack he’s 23 and it was his 2nd year.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby fruity pebbles » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:07 pm

Kmani6 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 pm
fruity pebbles wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pm
Kirk is a guy who did about as little with the number of targets given as humanly possible. When a guy comes in who commands 150 targets himself, I don’t have high hopes for a guy who needs a lot of targets to put up points.
Well there’s a good argument to be made that Kirk is a high upside WR2 and not a WR1. Also cut him some slack he’s 23 and it was his 2nd year.
I just don’t see any way he gets more than 100 targets for the year with Hopkins and Fitz there. Math just doesn’t add up for me.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:09 pm

Kmani6 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:01 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:56 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 pm
#2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.
Sure, but is he going to be getting almost 9 targets a game with Hopkins and his 150ish a year stepping in? Probably not. I have little interest in Kirk, myself. He has scored 3 TD's a year, and all of his TD's last year came in 1 game vs the leagues best pass D. I'd buy for a mid 2nd, beyond that, I don't want to pay the price.

He definitely could. JuJu, Gallup, Boyd, Godwin have all been able to command targets next to an elite counterpart. Now Kliff has the right weapons for his air raid offense, not just a bunch of rookies. With the improved Oline help as well the air raid can fully take off, which is a huge pre requisite for this offense.
I have my doubts. I'm not sold on the system or the coach, either. Teams will have a lot of film on them, too. Clearly a WR upgrade helps, but I am just not sold on Kingsburry as some offensive mastermind. I just don't see how Kirk's targets go up with Hopkins there, considering they threw the ball over 550 times last year as it is.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby Kurt G.O.A.T. » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:54 am

Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:54 pm
What about the greatest WR that anyone has ever scouted
Back to the waiver wire for him.

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby Mjvb5 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:14 am

The argument for him being a wr2 has one key flaw in that his best case for picking up that role is probably next year when fitz retires assuming they don’t bring in another guy then and he holds off isabella, which I think he does but it’s just a lot of risks. I’d still buy at the right price but it’s lower now

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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:34 am

I think his price has taken more of a hit than his production will.
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