Christian Kirk Value Thread
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100% helps imo. I think he can join that "elite WR2" group of Gallup, juju, Ridley, Godwin. Would he be as good as the uncontested #1 option? No. But with Hopkins taking all of the heat, I think he can abuse 3rd on the depth chart DBs/starting LBs operating out of the slot.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
Don’t see how it helps, he wasn’t a #1 before and now you are essentially taking 150 targets out of the mix.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
#2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.
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I think it hurts his perceived value so I might be throwing out a low ball offer for him.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
Sure, but is he going to be getting almost 9 targets a game with Hopkins and his 150ish a year stepping in? Probably not. I have little interest in Kirk, myself. He has scored 3 TD's a year, and all of his TD's last year came in 1 game vs the leagues best pass D. I'd buy for a mid 2nd, beyond that, I don't want to pay the price.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 pm #2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.
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#HakeemSzn has been temporarily postponed, due to, uhhhh... *checks notes*... *checks notes again...*Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:54 pm What about the greatest WR that anyone has ever scouted
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
Kirk is a guy who did about as little with the number of targets given as humanly possible. When a guy comes in who commands 150 targets himself, I don’t have high hopes for a guy who needs a lot of targets to put up points.
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FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:56 pmSure, but is he going to be getting almost 9 targets a game with Hopkins and his 150ish a year stepping in? Probably not. I have little interest in Kirk, myself. He has scored 3 TD's a year, and all of his TD's last year came in 1 game vs the leagues best pass D. I'd buy for a mid 2nd, beyond that, I don't want to pay the price.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 pm #2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.
He definitely could. JuJu, Gallup, Boyd, Godwin have all been able to command targets next to an elite counterpart. Now Kliff has the right weapons for his air raid offense, not just a bunch of rookies. With the improved Oline help as well the air raid can fully take off, which is a huge pre requisite for this offense.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
Well there’s a good argument to be made that Kirk is a high upside WR2 and not a WR1. Also cut him some slack he’s 23 and it was his 2nd year.fruity pebbles wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pm Kirk is a guy who did about as little with the number of targets given as humanly possible. When a guy comes in who commands 150 targets himself, I don’t have high hopes for a guy who needs a lot of targets to put up points.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
I just don’t see any way he gets more than 100 targets for the year with Hopkins and Fitz there. Math just doesn’t add up for me.Kmani6 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 pmWell there’s a good argument to be made that Kirk is a high upside WR2 and not a WR1. Also cut him some slack he’s 23 and it was his 2nd year.fruity pebbles wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pm Kirk is a guy who did about as little with the number of targets given as humanly possible. When a guy comes in who commands 150 targets himself, I don’t have high hopes for a guy who needs a lot of targets to put up points.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
I have my doubts. I'm not sold on the system or the coach, either. Teams will have a lot of film on them, too. Clearly a WR upgrade helps, but I am just not sold on Kingsburry as some offensive mastermind. I just don't see how Kirk's targets go up with Hopkins there, considering they threw the ball over 550 times last year as it is.Kmani6 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:01 pmFantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:56 pmSure, but is he going to be getting almost 9 targets a game with Hopkins and his 150ish a year stepping in? Probably not. I have little interest in Kirk, myself. He has scored 3 TD's a year, and all of his TD's last year came in 1 game vs the leagues best pass D. I'd buy for a mid 2nd, beyond that, I don't want to pay the price.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 pm #2 WRs in favorable pass offenses can definitely be valuable. Kirk may not be a WR1, but if Hopkins faces a tough matchup, Kirk could feast. If the consensus is anything like this thread, I'd be trying to get a slight discount.
He definitely could. JuJu, Gallup, Boyd, Godwin have all been able to command targets next to an elite counterpart. Now Kliff has the right weapons for his air raid offense, not just a bunch of rookies. With the improved Oline help as well the air raid can fully take off, which is a huge pre requisite for this offense.
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
Back to the waiver wire for him.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:54 pm What about the greatest WR that anyone has ever scouted
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The argument for him being a wr2 has one key flaw in that his best case for picking up that role is probably next year when fitz retires assuming they don’t bring in another guy then and he holds off isabella, which I think he does but it’s just a lot of risks. I’d still buy at the right price but it’s lower now
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Re: Kirk Value with Hopkins trade
I think his price has taken more of a hit than his production will.
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