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mgscott wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:27 pm

Cowboysfan33 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:13 pm Nice game for J.Taylor today, 22-90 and 4-24. It’s almost like RBs need more touches to get going sometimes.

Yeah. It's amazing how that works.

Derrick Henry has 550 yards @4.1 ypc and 2 tds in first half of games and 1,000 yards @5.8 ypc and 14 tds in the 2nd half.

People just don’t get not every player is the same

Taylor flashed a little for sure. I still feel like he's dancing a little too much behind the line. He's so fast and powerful that I'd love to see him doing more one cut type of running ala Dalvin Cook. I feel like he is forcing almost everything between the tackles and the line is not opening up huge holes for that to work. Overall, I'm encouraged but I also think we are far from a fantasy breakout followed by consistent usage. Reich drives me crazy on that front...

Needalife wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:15 am Taylor flashed a little for sure. I still feel like he's dancing a little too much behind the line. He's so fast and powerful that I'd love to see him doing more one cut type of running ala Dalvin Cook. I feel like he is forcing almost everything between the tackles and the line is not opening up huge holes for that to work. Overall, I'm encouraged but I also think we are far from a fantasy breakout followed by consistent usage. Reich drives me crazy on that front...

Yea, he's a 21 y.o. rookie. 2021 will be better.

He also had about 60 yards and a TD called back on 9 holding penalties in the last two drives

Sub 4.0yds a carry is alarming anyway you wanna wrap it. Even Akers has a better average. He flashes some things he also flashes poor vision and no patience often. He could still be something, I mean Rojo is finally looking like a good RB. Denying the chance he is gonna be a bust is growing drastically. He certainly looks nothing like the hype most had as the best RB in the draft bar none.

Yarnith wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:19 pm Sub 4.0yds a carry is alarming anyway you wanna wrap it.

but it's more than 4 ypc if you only count the games where he had 10+ carries!

Yarnith wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:19 pm Sub 4.0yds a carry is alarming anyway you wanna wrap it. Even Akers has a better average. He flashes some things he also flashes poor vision and no patience often. He could still be something, I mean Rojo is finally looking like a good RB. Denying the chance he is gonna be a bust is growing drastically. He certainly looks nothing like the hype most had as the best RB in the draft bar none.

I wouldn't say alarming. It's disappointing from the hype he had pre season, but it's not the end all. Many high quality RBs have seasons below 4.0.

He may very well be a bust, but it is way too early to make that call based on a few poor games.

CGW wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:30 am

Yarnith wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:19 pm Sub 4.0yds a carry is alarming anyway you wanna wrap it. Even Akers has a better average. He flashes some things he also flashes poor vision and no patience often. He could still be something, I mean Rojo is finally looking like a good RB. Denying the chance he is gonna be a bust is growing drastically. He certainly looks nothing like the hype most had as the best RB in the draft bar none.

I wouldn't say alarming. It's disappointing from the hype he had pre season, but it's not the end all. Many high quality RBs have seasons below 4.0.

He may very well be a bust, but it is way too early to make that call based on a few poor games.

Exactly.. Leveon Bell (3.5 ypc), Joe Mixon (3.6), Marshawn Lynch (4.0, 4.1, 3.8, 3.6).... Ladainian Tomlinson (3.6)

Sriracha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:13 am

CGW wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:30 am

Yarnith wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:19 pm Sub 4.0yds a carry is alarming anyway you wanna wrap it. Even Akers has a better average. He flashes some things he also flashes poor vision and no patience often. He could still be something, I mean Rojo is finally looking like a good RB. Denying the chance he is gonna be a bust is growing drastically. He certainly looks nothing like the hype most had as the best RB in the draft bar none.

I wouldn't say alarming. It's disappointing from the hype he had pre season, but it's not the end all. Many high quality RBs have seasons below 4.0.

He may very well be a bust, but it is way too early to make that call based on a few poor games.

Exactly.. Leveon Bell (3.5 ypc), Joe Mixon (3.6), Marshawn Lynch (4.0, 4.1, 3.8, 3.6).... Ladainian Tomlinson (3.6)

Taylor does flash talent but he has a long ways to go be like most on that list. I do think his upside is pretty close to Mixon sooner than later but then again many believe Mixon is a tad overrated.

Ice wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:22 pm

Sriracha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:13 am Exactly.. Leveon Bell (3.5 ypc), Joe Mixon (3.6), Marshawn Lynch (4.0, 4.1, 3.8, 3.6).... Ladainian Tomlinson (3.6)

Taylor does flash talent but he has a long ways to go be like most on that list. I do think his upside is pretty close to Mixon sooner than later but then again many believe Mixon is a tad overrated.

And so did those guys at the same point in their careers as JT is at now, the only one that was clearly better as a rookie/draft prospect was LT and he put up that 3.6 as a rookie.

bjd5211 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:55 pm

Ice wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:22 pm

Sriracha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:13 am Exactly.. Leveon Bell (3.5 ypc), Joe Mixon (3.6), Marshawn Lynch (4.0, 4.1, 3.8, 3.6).... Ladainian Tomlinson (3.6)

Taylor does flash talent but he has a long ways to go be like most on that list. I do think his upside is pretty close to Mixon sooner than later but then again many believe Mixon is a tad overrated.

And so did those guys at the same point in their careers as JT is at now, the only one that was clearly better as a rookie/draft prospect was LT and he put up that 3.6 as a rookie.

So are you saying his upside is LT? Don't see a throw down marker there or anything earth shattering.

The bold part should have been his upside potential.

Ice wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:30 pm

bjd5211 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:55 pm

Ice wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:22 pm

Taylor does flash talent but he has a long ways to go be like most on that list. I do think his upside is pretty close to Mixon sooner than later but then again many believe Mixon is a tad overrated.

And so did those guys at the same point in their careers as JT is at now, the only one that was clearly better as a rookie/draft prospect was LT and he put up that 3.6 as a rookie.

So are you saying his upside is LT? Don't see a throw down marker there or anything earth shattering.

The bold part should have been his upside potential.

That's not remotely what I'm saying. I'm saying those guys outside of LT are comparable to JT at the same point in their careers as JT is at now.

Ice wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:30 pm
So are you saying his upside is LT? Don't see a throw down marker there or anything earth shattering.

The bold part should have been his upside potential.

I honestly have no idea where JT will end up. His upside is still extremely high.. his floor is just much lower than many people thought it would be.

Him struggling in year 1, however, is not a death sentence. There were some very, very productive RB's that didn't hit the ground running; including one of the GOATS.

As I was looking over the list of elite fantasy RBs... there were quite a few of them that struggled their rookie years. The narrative that RB is an instinctual role so little startup time is necessary is probably overblown. Just like other positions you have guys that start out strong and fizzle, and others that fall on their face only to become long time Dynasty anchors.

Trent Richardson 3.6, Rashaan Salaam 3.6, William Green 3.6, Ron Dayne 3.4, Vaughn Dunbar 3.7. and just for fun cuz people think so highly of Bellichump Tommy Vardell 3.7. The list is limitless really.

Not saying its game over but for the "1 overrall without question" crowd maybe pushed a little to hard. I am well aware that a rookie year, a career does not make. I can say I have a 1st offer for him and I am strongly considering taking it for a few reasons, his lack of early dominance chief among them.

Yarnith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:22 pm Trent Richardson 3.6, Rashaan Salaam 3.6, William Green 3.6, Ron Dayne 3.4, Vaughn Dunbar 3.7. and just for fun cuz people think so highly of Bellichump Tommy Vardell 3.7. The list is limitless really.

Not saying its game over but for the "1 overrall without question" crowd maybe pushed a little to hard. I am well aware that a rookie year, a career does not make. I can say I have a 1st offer for him and I am strongly considering taking it for a few reasons, his lack of early dominance chief among them.

So is the list of good players with sub 4ypc seasons, and even rookie seasons?

You do what you want with your shares, but your argument based on ypc doesn't correlate to anything. There's absolutely bust risk with him, but it's too early to call him Trent Richardson.

Have we had a Trich size bust since TRich?