Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby CurtisMyFavMartin » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:20 am

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I already have Taylor in two leagues(DLF SF Startups) and I definitely love the landing spot. With that o-line and at least a slight upgrade at QB with Rivers, this was about as good as anyone could’ve hoped for, I was getting worried that he might be on the board for the Rams and didn’t want to see him end up there.
Curious why you didn't want to see him land in LA? I feel like that he would thrive in a strong offense with a solid coach. Is it more of a scheme thing??
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby MattDeezy » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:59 am

It’s gonna be a real pain to decide between JT and CEH at 1.01 for me. I keep going back and forth on it.
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby AussieMate » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:56 pm

MattDeezy wrote:
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It’s gonna be a real pain to decide between JT and CEH at 1.01 for me. I keep going back and forth on it.
I have the 1.02 and I'm stoked, now just looking if I can move up to 1.03 from 1.05 to get my predraft crush Dobbins.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Lord_Varys » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:58 pm

Something we're not talking about is that Rivers loves to check down to RB. Even if Hines gets a lot of third downs, Taylor should get targeted plenty on early downs.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby PR0v3 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:15 pm

Lord_Varys wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:58 pm
Something we're not talking about is that Rivers loves to check down to RB. Even if Hines gets a lot of third downs, Taylor should get targeted plenty on early downs.
Yes. This is what leads me to believe he will be a three down workhorse. Everyone knows Rivers will check it down on any down, so I don’t see why the Colts would select JT if the didn’t think he at least had some receiving ability.
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Sriracha » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:10 pm

PR0v3 wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:15 pm
Lord_Varys wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:58 pm
Something we're not talking about is that Rivers loves to check down to RB. Even if Hines gets a lot of third downs, Taylor should get targeted plenty on early downs.
Yes. This is what leads me to believe he will be a three down workhorse. Everyone knows Rivers will check it down on any down, so I don’t see why the Colts would select JT if the didn’t think he at least had some receiving ability.
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:22 pm

Lord_Varys wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:58 pm
Something we're not talking about is that Rivers loves to check down to RB. Even if Hines gets a lot of third downs, Taylor should get targeted plenty on early downs.
That had as much to do with protection as anything. Rivers doesn't check down for no reason. He goes through reads and feels pressure, when he's pressured, he checks down. A bad line provides more opportunity for that. I love JT, all about taking him, but with a much better OL, he will have less reasons to check down.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Sriracha » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:33 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:22 pm
Lord_Varys wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:58 pm
Something we're not talking about is that Rivers loves to check down to RB. Even if Hines gets a lot of third downs, Taylor should get targeted plenty on early downs.
That had as much to do with protection as anything. Rivers doesn't check down for no reason. He goes through reads and feels pressure, when he's pressured, he checks down. A bad line provides more opportunity for that. I love JT, all about taking him, but with a much better OL, he will have less reasons to check down.
Rivers has had very good O-lines in his career.

He always checks down. Wouldn't surprise me if he audibles to RB flats/flares etc when he reads defensive pressure.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:06 pm

Rivers is too immobile to do anything except checkdown when there's pressure and the primary read hasn't developed.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Lord_Varys » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:40 pm

IZigUZag wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:33 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:22 pm
Lord_Varys wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:58 pm
Something we're not talking about is that Rivers loves to check down to RB. Even if Hines gets a lot of third downs, Taylor should get targeted plenty on early downs.
That had as much to do with protection as anything. Rivers doesn't check down for no reason. He goes through reads and feels pressure, when he's pressured, he checks down. A bad line provides more opportunity for that. I love JT, all about taking him, but with a much better OL, he will have less reasons to check down.
Rivers has had very good O-lines in his career.

He always checks down. Wouldn't surprise me if he audibles to RB flats/flares etc when he reads defensive pressure.
Lot like Brady and Brees in this regard. These guys get older, they get smarter with the reads, and a little less ballsy about checking it deep.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:54 pm

People keep talking about Mack (who will be a slight hiccup to get past. Especially with OTAs being limited/nil) but what about Hines. I see him taking more away than Mack at times. Anything long yardage Hines will be in for pass protection/pass catching. Like said above it's a three headed monster the first year. Even if JT is the superior he's going to be bogged down by other role players while he learns.

Can the same be said for CEH? I don't think Williams puts up that resistance that JT will see.

Dobbins... sees one year of Ingram and then it's off to the races. Hill will be a mosquito flying around bothering every now and then, but absolutely nothing to worry about.

All that being said I own 1.2. And even with my own reasoning I'm not sure who to take. I still love JTs prototypical stature. I enjoy the upside of CEH on KC and Dobbins on BAL, but don't love their build size wise, but both situations are better. Luckily someone in front of me gets the b tougher choice out of the 3 and then I get a coin flip. More over analyzing to be done!
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:04 pm

YouMightDieTryin wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:54 pm
People keep talking about Mack (who will be a slight hiccup to get past. Especially with OTAs being limited/nil) but what about Hines. I see him taking more away than Mack at times. Anything long yardage Hines will be in for pass protection/pass catching. Like said above it's a three headed monster the first year. Even if JT is the superior he's going to be bogged down by other role players while he learns.

Can the same be said for CEH? I don't think Williams puts up that resistance that JT will see.

Dobbins... sees one year of Ingram and then it's off to the races. Hill will be a mosquito flying around bothering every now and then, but absolutely nothing to worry about.

All that being said I own 1.2. And even with my own reasoning I'm not sure who to take. I still love JTs prototypical stature. I enjoy the upside of CEH on KC and Dobbins on BAL, but don't love their build size wise, but both situations are better. Luckily someone in front of me gets the b tougher choice out of the 3 and then I get a coin flip. More over analyzing to be done!
I doubt it. JT should get fed. I don't think they like Hines that much, either. I also don't think CEH is a pure featured back. 3 headed committee is exactly the term Matt Waldman just used for KC this year, and he was sure to reference CEH's terrible pass pro. I think both players will get plenty of touches, it's a pick your poison.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Johnny B. Goode » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:40 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:54 pm
People keep talking about Mack (who will be a slight hiccup to get past. Especially with OTAs being limited/nil) but what about Hines. I see him taking more away than Mack at times. Anything long yardage Hines will be in for pass protection/pass catching. Like said above it's a three headed monster the first year. Even if JT is the superior he's going to be bogged down by other role players while he learns.

Can the same be said for CEH? I don't think Williams puts up that resistance that JT will see.

Dobbins... sees one year of Ingram and then it's off to the races. Hill will be a mosquito flying around bothering every now and then, but absolutely nothing to worry about.

All that being said I own 1.2. And even with my own reasoning I'm not sure who to take. I still love JTs prototypical stature. I enjoy the upside of CEH on KC and Dobbins on BAL, but don't love their build size wise, but both situations are better. Luckily someone in front of me gets the b tougher choice out of the 3 and then I get a coin flip. More over analyzing to be done!
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby ArrylT » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:40 pm

So far in 3 Rookie Drafts JT has been the 1.01 - even a SF draft - doesnt mean he will be the 1.01 in all drafts - just that it seems the norm early going.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby joeya2001 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:06 am

ArrylT wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:40 pm
So far in 3 Rookie Drafts JT has been the 1.01 - even a SF draft - doesnt mean he will be the 1.01 in all drafts - just that it seems the norm early going.
Is he really worth it in a SF to pass over Burrow? lol
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