Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

[kadun2]

^ Thanks for the info, and nice post stoneghost28

[jcc6fd]

^so you’re taking a victory lap? You’re in the minority who had JT above CEH preseason. Congrats

Why are you criticizing somebody that bucked the norm and went with their own analysis and drafted JT?

You’re grabbing this out of context of at least two relevant previous posts. Reading them should answer your question

[jcc6fd]

So what is the point in saying that people should have drafted JT over CEH in hindsight? Has anyone made a solid point about the fantasy community's opinions/metrics/tape watching being superior to the NFL's? Was there something about the Chief's decision that we should have questioned more (i.e. a scheme fit that wouldn't necessarily lend itself to more fantasy production)? Is there anything to learn/know going forward or are the JT people just taking a hindsight victory lap?

I assume Ruggs was your WR1 in this class?

Nope, and you know why? Because most dynasty players can understand that draft capital is a great predictor of NFL success and also understand that the NFL prioritizes a lot of different facets of the game over pure fantasy producing stats. With Ruggs (and Ross and Fuller) the NFL was prioritizing the elite speed that player had that we can know won’t necessarily translate to the highest possible fantasy output without a complete receiver skill set. There was a great thread arguing Ruggs actually does possess this, but thats beside the point because we have examples of this every year. Similarly we see RBs taken in later rounds but into preferred situations get drafted higher. CEH had the draft pedigree, college success and premium situation all going for him.

So you’ve actually done a very good job of showing the reason for the questions in my quoted post regarding what knowledge we could have had predraft and we can know going forward. Got any insights there?

[Sriracha]

^so you’re taking a victory lap? You’re in the minority who had JT above CEH preseason. Congrats

Why are you criticizing somebody that bucked the norm and went with their own analysis and drafted JT?

You’re grabbing this out of context of at least two relevant previous posts. Reading them should answer your question

I've read most of this thread and I actually don't think there's been too much JT victory lapping.

It's been mostly CEH was overvalued, and JT is a stud. I personally love what JT put out there this year, but if you have Swift, Dobbins, Akers, Gibson as your RB1 from this class I'm not going to argue against it. All of these guys showed out this year and have pathways to high end, sustained fantasy success.

It comes down to the, "Situation vs Talent" argument we have every season. CEH's talent evaluation being pushed up by him being selected 1st is bad process. A lot of RBs were taken mere picks apart and people convinced themselves CEH's talent was on par (or better than) with the "top tier" of RBs because of some sound clips of Andry Reid comparing CEH to Brian Westbrook and Mahomes wanting him (as if these NFL players have seen 10% of the talent in college football to compare them to). This is the same bleep that got Marquise Brown drafted over DK Metcalf in the actual NFL draft; Lamar specifically asked for Marquise Brown (or Jerry Jeudy). Again, Lamar is not scouting all of these college football players.. and again he chose a player from a team getting a lot of national exposure.

Now.. I'm not going to say that CEH was a wasted pick. He was always an above average RB prospect, and he landed in the best possible situation for fantasy football points. But he should not have been selected at the 1.01 above these elite tier of RB talents.

[jcc6fd]

So the argument is we should have known Andy Reid didn’t know what he was doing and that obviously the other RBs taken in the 2nd round were more talented? Based on what? Combine measurables?

[Sriracha]

So the argument is we should have known Andy Reid didn’t know what he was doing and that obviously the other RBs taken in the 2nd round were more talented? Based on what? Combine measurables?

If you go through these threads we've talked ad nauseam about why CEH is not a comparable prospect.

[PTW32]

So the argument is we should have known Andy Reid didn’t know what he was doing and that obviously the other RBs taken in the 2nd round were more talented? Based on what? Combine measurables?

If you dont want to go back amd read the reasons in the thread I'll try to summarize.

1. People on the internet obvioudly know more about talent than Andy Reid.

2. Andy Reid didnt make the pick anyway, he let his QB who probably only had time to watch the natonal championship game make it.

[jenkins.math]

So the argument is we should have known Andy Reid didn’t know what he was doing and that obviously the other RBs taken in the 2nd round were more talented? Based on what? Combine measurables?

Based on the expert opinions on here. The same opinions that are now suggesting the 2nd most productive rookie RB is now 6th at best. Trust me bro, the conversation has run its course and its a "because I said so" stance at this stage.

[Ice]

So the argument is we should have known Andy Reid didn’t know what he was doing and that obviously the other RBs taken in the 2nd round were more talented? Based on what? Combine measurables?

If you dont want to go back amd read the reasons in the thread I'll try to summarize.

1. People on the internet obvioudly know more about talent than Andy Reid.

2. Andy Reid didnt make the pick anyway, he let his QB who probably only had time to watch the natonal championship game make it.

Haha
Pretty much spot on!

Some of these same brains probably also thought Butler was the best WR at one point.

This site is funny that way!

[Sriracha]

So the argument is we should have known Andy Reid didn’t know what he was doing and that obviously the other RBs taken in the 2nd round were more talented? Based on what? Combine measurables?

If you dont want to go back amd read the reasons in the thread I'll try to summarize.

1. People on the internet obvioudly know more about talent than Andy Reid.

2. Andy Reid didnt make the pick anyway, he let his QB who probably only had time to watch the natonal championship game make it.

Haha
Pretty much spot on!

Some of these same brains probably also thought Butler was the best WR at one point.

This site is funny that way!

I hear the Hakeem Butler take to defend draft capital a lot.. what's ironic is that the guys who LOVED Hakeem Butler probably LOVED Clyde Edwards Helaire -- the pseudo film gurus.

The NFL's Kevin White #7 overall isn't any better imo

[Vick2Crumpler87]

^so you’re taking a victory lap? You’re in the minority who had JT above CEH preseason. Congrats

They had CEH over JT because of KC. Nobody had CEH over JT before the NFL draft....

[Ice]

Try again.

I told anyone who would listen Butler and Harry would be busts in the NFL. Neither had any separation skills.

Conversely, anyone who didn't like CEH was a fool. Not only did he have good tape in college, he put up 1100 yards as a rookie in 13 games in this league.

[Ice]

^so you’re taking a victory lap? You’re in the minority who had JT above CEH preseason. Congrats

They had CEH over JT because of KC. Nobody had CEH over JT before the NFL draft....

Not entirely true. JT had plenty of detractors. He runs upright and fumbled way too much in college. This scared plenty of scouts and fantasy players toward Swift, Dobbins, and CEH.

KC obviously thought CEH was better, Detroit obviously thought Swift was better. The Colts also like Pittman better. I get this small website like JT and he is very good but there was never a Barkley or Zeke consensus with JT. Thinking there was is revisionist history.

CEH was always in the mix by a lot of scouts as top 4 RB. Additionally, the scouting community at large considered this one of the best draft classes in years.

BTW that is proving to be true at QB, RB, and WR.

[Sriracha]

Try again.

I told anyone who would listen Butler and Harry would be busts in the NFL. Neither had any separation skills.

Conversely, anyone who didn't like CEH was a fool. Not only did he have good tape in college, he put up 1100 yards as a rookie in 13 games in this league.

False equivalency.

People that loved Hakeem Butler loved CEH != People that loved CEH loved Hakeem Butler

People that said CEH was overrated as the 1.01 and a top 10 startup pick != CEH is terrible and can't have moderate success with draft capital + the best situation in football.

[Ice]

Try again.

I told anyone who would listen Butler and Harry would be busts in the NFL. Neither had any separation skills.

Conversely, anyone who didn't like CEH was a fool. Not only did he have good tape in college, he put up 1100 yards as a rookie in 13 games in this league.

False equivalency.

People that loved Hakeem Butler loved CEH != People that loved CEH loved Hakeem Butler

People that said CEH was overrated as the 1.01 and a top 10 startup pick != CEH is terrible and can't succeed with draft capital + the best situation in football.

Thinking at this point you have put way too much vinegar in your Siracha sauce!