Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

[FantasyFreak]

Timeshare is relative

You guys need to get a room!

CEH is going to be the better fantasy player. MJD says go review his 2009, 2010, and 2011 stat lines. Rumor has it his 3 extra pounds of weight meant nothing.

LOL. MJD ran a 4.39. Not comparable talents. Take a look at MJD's stat line and look at rushing stats CEH will never touch. Taylor>CEH.

As a big Bruin fan who watched a ton of college football when MJD was playing... Its a bit insulting that people compare CEH to MJD. You knew MJD was something special on his very first carry. He was an absolute animal, with the raw power to jump into a 7 man pile and somehow come out of the scrum with the football in his hands. He had multiple long TDs on both inside runs, outside runs, and punt returns.

CEH might be a fantasy star in the mold of Westbrook... but he is not anywhere close to MJD

Yep.

[Jigga94]

Timeshare is relative

You guys need to get a room!

CEH is going to be the better fantasy player. MJD says go review his 2009, 2010, and 2011 stat lines. Rumor has it his 3 extra pounds of weight meant nothing.

This is the JT room though... Maybe take yourself back to the CEH room??

Also didn't MJD also have Zack Moss as his top RB or something? Lol he's just a wannabe hype man at this point

[FantasyFreak]

Timeshare is relative

You guys need to get a room!

CEH is going to be the better fantasy player. MJD says go review his 2009, 2010, and 2011 stat lines. Rumor has it his 3 extra pounds of weight meant nothing.

This is the JT room though... Maybe take yourself back to the CEH room??

Also didn't MJD also have Zack Moss as his top RB or something? Lol he's just a wannabe hype man at this point

He's referring to MJD the player. Which is ridiculous because MJD was another level of talent and athleticism as a runner. 4 days ago CEH was a solid RB, and now all of a sudden his situation has apparently increased his talent level somehow. Magic!

[OhCruelestRanter]

People keep talking about Mack (who will be a slight hiccup to get past. Especially with OTAs being limited/nil) but what about Hines. I see him taking more away than Mack at times. Anything long yardage Hines will be in for pass protection/pass catching. Like said above it's a three headed monster the first year. Even if JT is the superior he's going to be bogged down by other role players while he learns.

Can the same be said for CEH? I don't think Williams puts up that resistance that JT will see.

Dobbins... sees one year of Ingram and then it's off to the races. Hill will be a mosquito flying around bothering every now and then, but absolutely nothing to worry about.

All that being said I own 1.2. And even with my own reasoning I'm not sure who to take. I still love JTs prototypical stature. I enjoy the upside of CEH on KC and Dobbins on BAL, but don't love their build size wise, but both situations are better. Luckily someone in front of me gets the b tougher choice out of the 3 and then I get a coin flip. More over analyzing to be done!

I agree.

Chris Ballard's done two interviews that I know of since drafting Taylor.

In both interviews, he continued to mention that the Colts view their backfield as a "1-2 punch" and not a single guy. He's mentioned that the Colts wanted to improve the amount of playmakers they have and Taylor and Pittman do that.

To me, if you're drafting Taylor, the potential workhorse type of workload is not this year..it's 2021. And even then, that depends on if they view him as a good enough receiving threat to keep Hines off the field.

Every year people quote this type of comment. What do you expect a GM to say? “We’re handing everything to this rookie, there won’t be a competition?” Don’t be surprised when you see some garbage platitude about Damien Williams being the starter in KC, or Kerryon and Swift forming a committee.

As if they were listening:

G.M. Brett Veach recently told #PFTPM that Williams will remain the starter, but that Williams and Edwards-Helaire definitely will be in the mix.

Stop quoting this stuff as if it matters.

[TheNuts]

I'm seeing posts that say either Taylor or CEH are hands down number 1 overall. I'm not sure how people are dismissive of either back so easily. As an owner of 1.01, I am genuinely torn.

CEH does seem to fit what KC does and what Reid wants perfectly. Taylor is more of a prototypical lead rb profile, but CEH fitting the Chiefs and Reid pumping out rb1s makes me think CEH is the safer bet (also because of better hands). I get the Taylor love though. It's tough to pass on a guy who looks awfully similar to Barkley, Peterson, Mixon mould.

[Jigga94]

Timeshare is relative

You guys need to get a room!

CEH is going to be the better fantasy player. MJD says go review his 2009, 2010, and 2011 stat lines. Rumor has it his 3 extra pounds of weight meant nothing.

This is the JT room though... Maybe take yourself back to the CEH room??

Also didn't MJD also have Zack Moss as his top RB or something? Lol he's just a wannabe hype man at this point

He's referring to MJD the player. Which is ridiculous because MJD was another level of talent and athleticism as a runner. 4 days ago CEH was a solid RB, and now all of a sudden his situation has apparently increased his talent level somehow. Magic!

Yeah, I get that he's comparing him to himself, but it doesn't make sense either way

[jomaed]

I'm seeing posts that say either Taylor or CEH are hands down number 1 overall. I'm not sure how people are dismissive of either back so easily. As an owner of 1.01, I am genuinely torn.

CEH does seem to fit what KC does and what Reid wants perfectly. Taylor is more of a prototypical lead rb profile, but CEH fitting the Chiefs and Reid pumping out rb1s makes me think CEH is the safer bet (also because of better hands). I get the Taylor love though. It's tough to pass on a guy who looks awfully similar to Barkley, Peterson, Mixon mould.

TheNuts hit the nuts with this post.

[Sfoster2625]

I'm seeing posts that say either Taylor or CEH are hands down number 1 overall. I'm not sure how people are dismissive of either back so easily. As an owner of 1.01, I am genuinely torn.

CEH does seem to fit what KC does and what Reid wants perfectly. Taylor is more of a prototypical lead rb profile, but CEH fitting the Chiefs and Reid pumping out rb1s makes me think CEH is the safer bet (also because of better hands). I get the Taylor love though. It's tough to pass on a guy who looks awfully similar to Barkley, Peterson, Mixon mould.

I’m right there with you. I’m leaning towards ceh though. His receiving upside plus the kc offense pushes him past Taylor for me but it’s close. I think Taylor is the more talented player but receptions and more td opportunities get you more points. Plus I have mahomes and if ceh is the bell cow that means I could be getting 6 fantasy points almost every time kc scores

[OhCruelestRanter]

I'm seeing posts that say either Taylor or CEH are hands down number 1 overall. I'm not sure how people are dismissive of either back so easily. As an owner of 1.01, I am genuinely torn.

CEH does seem to fit what KC does and what Reid wants perfectly. Taylor is more of a prototypical lead rb profile, but CEH fitting the Chiefs and Reid pumping out rb1s makes me think CEH is the safer bet (also because of better hands). I get the Taylor love though. It's tough to pass on a guy who looks awfully similar to Barkley, Peterson, Mixon mould.

I’m right there with you. I’m leaning towards ceh though. His receiving upside plus the kc offense pushes him past Taylor for me but it’s close. I think Taylor is the more talented player but receptions and more td opportunities get you more points. Plus I have mahomes and if ceh is the bell cow that means I could be getting 6 fantasy points almost every time kc scores

Polling of this board has it split almost exactly. 50/50. You're not alone.

[Ice]

This is the JT room though... Maybe take yourself back to the CEH room??

Also didn't MJD also have Zack Moss as his top RB or something? Lol he's just a wannabe hype man at this point

He's referring to MJD the player. Which is ridiculous because MJD was another level of talent and athleticism as a runner. 4 days ago CEH was a solid RB, and now all of a sudden his situation has apparently increased his talent level somehow. Magic!

Yeah, I get that he's comparing him to himself, but it doesn't make sense either way

While my post was tongue n Cheek to a degree; it is important to note MJD was a 2nd round pick vs a 1st rounder for CEH

Quite a bit of revisionist history going on.

Lastly, while MJD isn’t worth a damn at mock drafts the one pick he got right was CEH @ 32.

My thoughts are CEH is actually the more talented overall of the 2 by a small margin but time will tell. MJD was one of my favorite players of all time. CEH has a long way too go to be that good career wise but he is off to a good start based on his draft capital.

Carry on!

[Cameron Giles]

I agree.

Chris Ballard's done two interviews that I know of since drafting Taylor.

In both interviews, he continued to mention that the Colts view their backfield as a "1-2 punch" and not a single guy. He's mentioned that the Colts wanted to improve the amount of playmakers they have and Taylor and Pittman do that.

To me, if you're drafting Taylor, the potential workhorse type of workload is not this year..it's 2021. And even then, that depends on if they view him as a good enough receiving threat to keep Hines off the field.

Every year people quote this type of comment. What do you expect a GM to say? “We’re handing everything to this rookie, there won’t be a competition?” Don’t be surprised when you see some garbage platitude about Damien Williams being the starter in KC, or Kerryon and Swift forming a committee.

As if they were listening:

G.M. Brett Veach recently told #PFTPM that Williams will remain the starter, but that Williams and Edwards-Helaire definitely will be in the mix.

Stop quoting this stuff as if it matters.

I'm not telling you to pick Taylor based off what happens this year. I'm simply saying that anyone picking him with the expectation that he is immediately a three down workhorse may be disappointed.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Every year people quote this type of comment. What do you expect a GM to say? “We’re handing everything to this rookie, there won’t be a competition?” Don’t be surprised when you see some garbage platitude about Damien Williams being the starter in KC, or Kerryon and Swift forming a committee.

As if they were listening:

G.M. Brett Veach recently told #PFTPM that Williams will remain the starter, but that Williams and Edwards-Helaire definitely will be in the mix.

Stop quoting this stuff as if it matters.

I'm not telling you to pick Taylor based off what happens this year. I'm simply saying that anyone picking him with the expectation that he is immediately a three down workhorse may be disappointed.

Right, and I’m just saying that the premise you used to support this notion is just useless GM speak. It happens with every rookie. I told you it would happen with CEH, and it happened hours later. Your premise has the same validity as saying that you would be cautious of Taylor being a workhorse because Marlon Mack has a higher Madden rating. It just isn’t useful information.

Every rookie has the potential to disappoint if you expect them to immediately be a workhorse. The GM saying that the veteran is going to be involved has nothing to do with it.

[Cameron Giles]

As if they were listening:


Stop quoting this stuff as if it matters.

I'm not telling you to pick Taylor based off what happens this year. I'm simply saying that anyone picking him with the expectation that he is immediately a three down workhorse may be disappointed.

Right, and I’m just saying that the premise you used to support this notion is just useless GM speak. It happens with every rookie. I told you it would happen with CEH, and it happened hours later. Your premise has the same validity as saying that you would be cautious of Taylor being a workhorse because Marlon Mack has a higher Madden rating. It just isn’t useful information.

Every rookie has the potential to disappoint if you expect them to immediately be a workhorse. The GM saying that the veteran is going to be involved has nothing to do with it.

It's a combination of those comments and the fact that the coach has played 2-3 RBs in his stops as OC. It's useless GM speak when coaching tendencies don't match with the comments.

[OhCruelestRanter]

I'm not telling you to pick Taylor based off what happens this year. I'm simply saying that anyone picking him with the expectation that he is immediately a three down workhorse may be disappointed.

Right, and I’m just saying that the premise you used to support this notion is just useless GM speak. It happens with every rookie. I told you it would happen with CEH, and it happened hours later. Your premise has the same validity as saying that you would be cautious of Taylor being a workhorse because Marlon Mack has a higher Madden rating. It just isn’t useful information.

Every rookie has the potential to disappoint if you expect them to immediately be a workhorse. The GM saying that the veteran is going to be involved has nothing to do with it.

It's a combination of those comments and the fact that the coach has played 2-3 RBs in his stops as OC. It's useless GM speak when coaching tendencies don't match with the comments.

Your original post made absolutely no mention of Frank Reich’s RB usage.

I don’t know how I can explain it any more simply. There are plenty of reasons to prefer CEH to Taylor. There are reasons to think CEH might see more early work than Taylor. The GM, in May, saying that the veteran RB is going to be involved, is not one of those reasons, and mentioning it detracts from useful discussion and analysis.

[Cameron Giles]

Your original post made absolutely no mention of Frank Reich’s RB usage.

I don’t know how I can explain it any more simply. There are plenty of reasons to prefer CEH to Taylor. There are reasons to think CEH might see more early work than Taylor. The GM, in May, saying that the veteran RB is going to be involved, is not one of those reasons, and mentioning it detracts from useful discussion and analysis.

I'm not even talking about CEH though. I have Taylor above him.

And it is potentially useful discussion. Only time will tell if it's not. If the GM comes out and says that "Taylor is going to be the workhorse" then I'm sure we would be discussing that as well. Should all of this change who you draft? No, because this is dynasty. Should you consider it with projections and how you build your team? Absolutely.