Complete under the radar buys??

[wickerkat1212]

Yeah, all I see him as, with this thread being under the radar buys, is an end of the bench flier.

[cazzie33]

When everyone says he (Hakeem Butler) didn't see the field they do understand he was on injured reserve, not sitting on the bench as a DNP.

Guice didn't see the field either his rookie year as an example. Its not like he was Laquon Treadwell

[djeternal2]

When everyone says he (Hakeem Butler) didn't see the field they do understand he was on injured reserve, not sitting on the bench as a DNP.

Guice didn't see the field either his rookie year as an example. Its not like he was Laquon Treadwell

Guice is a RB so he has no bearing on the historical data of WRs. As for the historical data it doesn't matter why they didn't see the field IR or DNP.

[Jigga94]

I don't know if it's really people giving up too easily. He's a fourth round WR that never saw the field in year 1. Track record for WRs that don't see the field at all in year one isn't that great and combine that with low draft capital.

What if he was taken 1 pick earlier in the 3rd. Does that make a difference?

Really we're gonna start this crap again? What if the 15th player taken in the fourth round was taken 15 spots higher? That changes EVERYTHING! It's a slippery slope when you start playing that what if game. He was taken where he was taken. It's an absolute not a hypothesis to be tested. And looking back at historical data WRs drafted outside the 4th haven't fared well. For every Antonio Brown there's 20 Josh Reynolds/Ryan Switzers. Add to that he never saw the field in year 1 which is another knock. He's got 2 strikes already. Does that mean he can't be one of the few success stories? No and I never said he was a bust. He's definitely worth an end of the bench flier but too many are still holding onto their predraft idea of Butler being one of the top WR in the draft and the NFL showed us otherwise.

It was just a question man. I know the track record for 4th round WR isn't great. I'm not saying he's any sort of guarantee. This is an under the radar thread ffs... I'm just saying if he has been picked 1 pick earlier and been a 3rd rounder, I bet people would look at him differently. It's 1 pick not 15... There is a difference

[CGW]

Yeah I thought this thread was about end of the bench stashes. No1 in this thread is expected to be a stud.

[djeternal2]

What if he was taken 1 pick earlier in the 3rd. Does that make a difference?

Really we're gonna start this crap again? What if the 15th player taken in the fourth round was taken 15 spots higher? That changes EVERYTHING! It's a slippery slope when you start playing that what if game. He was taken where he was taken. It's an absolute not a hypothesis to be tested. And looking back at historical data WRs drafted outside the 4th haven't fared well. For every Antonio Brown there's 20 Josh Reynolds/Ryan Switzers. Add to that he never saw the field in year 1 which is another knock. He's got 2 strikes already. Does that mean he can't be one of the few success stories? No and I never said he was a bust. He's definitely worth an end of the bench flier but too many are still holding onto their predraft idea of Butler being one of the top WR in the draft and the NFL showed us otherwise.

It was just a question man. I know the track record for 4th round WR isn't great. I'm not saying he's any sort of guarantee. This is an under the radar thread ffs... I'm just saying if he has been picked 1 pick earlier and been a 3rd rounder, I bet people would look at him differently. It's 1 pick not 15... There is a difference

Sorry my reaction is because I recall that if he was picked 1 spot earlier was thrown out all last offseason about Butler from the posters that were/are high on him. And I get in this instance it's 1 pick and not 15 but where do you draw the line when you start going down that road? 2 picks? 5 picks? 15 picks? We have historical data in regards to the exact round not round 3 plus or minus x picks.

[Ice]

John Ross

He can't catch very good but with Burrow who throws a soft a ball he could be relevant at the end of the roster. Thinking upside is Marvin Jones type numbers. Just entering his 4th season. Outstanding speed on slants and deep routes. 10 TD's in 49 career receptions for the former 1st rounder. Will face single coverage a ton.

Health concern but very low cost to acquire.

[Jigga94]

John Ross

He can't catch very good but with Burrow who throws a soft a ball he could be relevant at the end of the roster. Thinking upside is Marvin Jones type numbers. Just entering his 4th season. Outstanding speed on slants and deep routes. 10 TD's in 49 career receptions for the former 1st rounder. Will face single coverage a ton.

Health concern but very low cost to acquire.

I somewhat agree. I'm not trying to say he's expensive by any means, but he had a ton of hype in the beginning of the year before he got hurt. I wonder how much that has kept his value afloat with his owners

[murphysxm]

As for the historical data it doesn't matter why they didn't see the field IR or DNP.

It kind of does to me. We have no idea how much of the field he would have seen if healthy and he is still young and athetically gifted.

[RCogburn]

When everyone says he (Hakeem Butler) didn't see the field they do understand he was on injured reserve, not sitting on the bench as a DNP.

Guice didn't see the field either his rookie year as an example. Its not like he was Laquon Treadwell

The Cardinals put him on IR before the final cut downs with a broken hand. Which probably means they didn't see enough in him to stash him on the active roster for 4-6 weeks until his hand healed up. Or put him on IR after final cut downs, so they could activate him later. Since he was put on IR before final cut downs, he wasn't able to practice with the team all season. I do agree he is a good end of the bench stash though.

[Mjvb5]

John Ross

He can't catch very good but with Burrow who throws a soft a ball he could be relevant at the end of the roster. Thinking upside is Marvin Jones type numbers. Just entering his 4th season. Outstanding speed on slants and deep routes. 10 TD's in 49 career receptions for the former 1st rounder. Will face single coverage a ton.

Health concern but very low cost to acquire.

I somewhat agree. I'm not trying to say he's expensive by any means, but he had a ton of hype in the beginning of the year before he got hurt. I wonder how much that has kept his value afloat with his owners

I know a couple owners that want a second for him, which is an easy pass for me

[Ice]

John Ross

He can't catch very good but with Burrow who throws a soft a ball he could be relevant at the end of the roster. Thinking upside is Marvin Jones type numbers. Just entering his 4th season. Outstanding speed on slants and deep routes. 10 TD's in 49 career receptions for the former 1st rounder. Will face single coverage a ton.

Health concern but very low cost to acquire.

I somewhat agree. I'm not trying to say he's expensive by any means, but he had a ton of hype in the beginning of the year before he got hurt. I wonder how much that has kept his value afloat with his owners

I know a couple owners that want a second for him, which is an easy pass for me

Given the miss rate of 2nd rounders that's probably real market value. That said, he is the type of player one should be asking for as a throw in to make a deal work.

No question he is the type of player that gives many heartburn due to injuries but if healthy and you can get him cheap enough the risk reward could work in an owners favor.

[Orenthal Shames]

I'm tossing out feelers for Damien Williams. If he can be had for next to nothing and KC doesn't bring in an early round rookie, he could be a nice value.

[Mjvb5]

If you wanna take a shot, graham just got cut so sternberger is the lead TE on paper

[Blueboy]

Martavis Bryant is probably on WW in every league. With the new weed laws in the upcoming CBA, would he be eligible to re-enter the league? Plenty of teams hungry for a deep threat.