We've seen "elite route running" wr's fall short, why is jeudy different

[Ski mask ready]

Sammy watkins was supposed to be a can't miss WR.... Elite route runner with best hands.

A Cooper, elite route runner with good speed. Even is Dallas he's been hit and miss.

Why would taking Jeudy in the top 3 be any different??

[jcc6fd]

Your two examples are making me think the opposite. Watkins came in hot and had his production sapped by injuries. Cooper was a bit boom or bust while playing with Carr but has been a WR1 since moving to Dallas so I’m unsure what more you could expect.

I think factors other than their skill set contributed to their shortcomings, injury and QB play.

Not informing Jeudy, just saying if Watkins was his theoretical floor and Cooper was his ceiling that’s a pretty solid player

[JoshGordonsDealer]

In reality, we’ve seen busts from every mold of player. There’s no such thing as a sure thing — it’s difficult to predict how hard a player will work, how their coaching staff will develop them, what talent they’ll have around them, injuries, etc...

That said, the two players you listed as examples are hardly busts. Sure, people who took Sammy at 1.01-1.03 are disappointed and Cooper isn’t an elite, top-tier stud. But you’re happy with Cooper on your team and who knows what a healthy Sammy could have been.

Ultimately, I think Jeudy has a high floor as someone who runs routes well and has decent physical abilities. For the same reasons, I think he’s got a pretty high ceiling.

[Mjvb5]

In reality, we’ve seen busts from every mold of player. There’s no such thing as a sure thing — it’s difficult to predict how hard a player will work, how their coaching staff will develop them, what talent they’ll have around them, injuries, etc...

That said, the two players you listed as examples are hardly busts. Sure, people who took Sammy at 1.01-1.03 are disappointed and Cooper isn’t an elite, top-tier stud. But you’re happy with Cooper on your team and who knows what a healthy Sammy could have been.

Ultimately, I think Jeudy has a high floor as someone who runs routes well and has decent physical abilities. For the same reasons, I think he’s got a pretty high ceiling.

x2 Watkins was primarily a bust purely off the fact that he couldn't stay healthy rather than that he couldn't play football, Cooper I'd definitely call a hit or at the very least a maintanence of value. Cooper at various points in his career has been worth as high as a first round startup and as low as a late first early second but I feel his average is definitely at least an early 1st. Also FWIW the biggest issue with Cooper coming out and still to this day is he can't beat press coverage.

[djeternal2]

Your two examples are making me think the opposite. Watkins came in hot and had his production sapped by injuries. Cooper was a bit boom or bust while playing with Carr but has been a WR1 since moving to Dallas so I’m unsure what more you could expect.

I think factors other than their skill set contributed to their shortcomings, injury and QB play.

Not informing Jeudy, just saying if Watkins was his theoretical floor and Cooper was his ceiling that’s a pretty solid player

Yes Watkins was a bust due to injuries; but, Cooper while yes end of season stats he was a WR1 he was still boom or bust in Dallas. Frankly I think for the time being that is the new WR model in the NFL. Think of it who was really a week in, week out consistent WR last year? Michael Thomas. That's it. Yes some guys have higher ceilings which makes up the next tier. Guys like Julio, Nuk, Evans, etc but once you get past 10 or 12 guys the next 13 to 36 of them are pretty much interchangeable due to the boom/bust nature of the position nowadays with more teams having 3 or 4 WR on the field.

[Cameron Giles]

If you're going to consistently bet against arguably the most important skill for WRs, then good luck.

Don't overthink Jerry Jeudy.

[gunfrees]

How viable is it do just draft the receivers drafted in the first with a breakout age of 18 - 19?

[M-Dub]

How viable is it do just draft the receivers drafted in the first with a breakout age of 18 - 19?

Plenty viable. It’s just a really limited pool.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Was Watkins really regarded as an elite route runner? Idk, was before I really started paying attention. I thought Cooper and Davis were extremely good though, and yeah both have fallen short of what I had expected (to varying degrees).

[Mjvb5]

Was Watkins really regarded as an elite route runner? Idk, was before I really started paying attention. I thought Cooper and Davis were extremely good though, and yeah both have fallen short of what I had expected (to varying degrees).

Watkins was but he was also just viewed as an A+ prospect in pretty much every way so his route running wasn’t his selling point

[Cameron Giles]

Was Watkins really regarded as an elite route runner? Idk, was before I really started paying attention. I thought Cooper and Davis were extremely good though, and yeah both have fallen short of what I had expected (to varying degrees).

Watkins was but he was also just viewed as an A+ prospect in pretty much every way so his route running wasn’t his selling point

Yep, there really wasn't much he couldn't do. Very surprising that he hasn't been really good in the NFL. Injuries could've played a part. Intangibles may not have been as good as we believed.

[Ice]

Sammy watkins was supposed to be a can't miss WR.... Elite route runner with best hands.

A Cooper, elite route runner with good speed. Even is Dallas he's been hit and miss.

Why would taking Jeudy in the top 3 be any different??

The fear of drafting him based on your comments doesn't make much sense to me.

Cooper in 5 Years has 5097 yards for a 14.3 average and 33 TD's. He has played in a few systems. Thinking those are not good numbers is a mistake. Of course everyone wants better numbers on all players.

Watkins has had a career littered with injuries which equated to a full season over his career YTD but still averages 14.9 YPC. He hasn't been in the best of systems as the dominate WR1 especially given how good Tyreek turned out to be for KC the last couple of years.

WR's like any position all carry risk but this one has plenty of long term career upside. One could make claims about any WR as a rookie but Jeudy like both Cooper and Watkins are pretty low risk selections in the fantasy world.

Fantasy players at WR should be drafted on upside over time but if he ends up producing like Cooper I would consider that a win personally.

Jeudy has a ton of upside. His skill sets are pretty easy to see on tape. That said, he is still college player that has to transition to big boy football.

He will be a top 2 WR selection in most fantasy drafts I suspect.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Sammy watkins was supposed to be a can't miss WR.... Elite route runner with best hands.

A Cooper, elite route runner with good speed. Even is Dallas he's been hit and miss.

Why would taking Jeudy in the top 3 be any different??

The whole premise is flawed. Since Amari came into the league he’s put up the 11th most PPR points. If the premise is that this is a bad outcome then the question isn’t even worth answering.

[FantasyFreak]

Your two examples are making me think the opposite. Watkins came in hot and had his production sapped by injuries. Cooper was a bit boom or bust while playing with Carr but has been a WR1 since moving to Dallas so I’m unsure what more you could expect.

I think factors other than their skill set contributed to their shortcomings, injury and QB play.

Not informing Jeudy, just saying if Watkins was his theoretical floor and Cooper was his ceiling that’s a pretty solid player

He's still really hit and miss. His home/road splits are akin to Big Ben at QB.

@ OP- Watkins ran a 4.43, I believe, and Cooper ran a 4.42 in a year where there were problems with the testing times, as it appeared he actually ran faster than Kevin White, who was a 4.35. I think Watkins injuries derailed his career, and switching teams constantly is never good. He's also a bit of a head case, if you've ever read some of the things he's put out there.

Really need to see Jeudy run well to put him in comparison with Cooper, but if he does, I don't think there is much of an argument against him or any prospect, because they are good at something. If Jeudy can match Cooper's stats, that's pretty good, IMO. Guys like Julio don't come along more than once every generation or two. Nobody in this class on that level, but Jeudy should be a solid pro.

[M-Dub]

Sammy watkins was supposed to be a can't miss WR.... Elite route runner with best hands.

A Cooper, elite route runner with good speed. Even is Dallas he's been hit and miss.

Why would taking Jeudy in the top 3 be any different??

The whole premise is flawed. Since Amari came into the league he’s put up the 11th most PPR points. If the premise is that this is a bad outcome then the question isn’t even worth answering.

How is that even possible? He never even finished in the top 12 before last year. Were there really that many injuries to all the WRs better than him?