Does Anyone Still Believe: N'Keal Harry Edition

[Patsfan86]

I remember when we all thought (including myself) Harry would produce this season. No way thats happening now. Im excited to see him play but i have to admit Jakobi Meyers looks really good out there and he needs to be looked at as a guy who may effect Harrys value. Guy has made some nice catches and does the little things like block that Belichick and Brady love. He had a nice block on a guy that allowed Edelman to get a first down. We havent seen Harry play so this really isnt fair but i could def see a scenario where Jakobi becomes Brady and Bradys replacements favorite Wr. It will be interesting to see. If Jakobi is Edelman and Harry is Gronk than we all win.

I remember this guy name Kembrell Thompkins, Brady makes everyone including udfa's look good. I would sell high on Meyers if you own him, he's unlikely to become anyone's favorite target for any length of time.

Nope, there are a bunch of differences, Jakobi is a better rookie. I have watched both over the years. Kenbrell dropped a ton of passes that would drive brady nuts, the guys nickname was Dropkins Kenbrell wasnt where he needed to be half the time which also drove brady nuts. Kenbrell was also playing with prime Brady who was indeed making everyone look great.

Have you watched recent Pats games? That prime Brady is long gone. He is still good but he is not the same at all, he misses guys now he would have never missed back in those years. Throws picks more often, looks shaken more often, etc Its what happens when you are 42. Jakobi doesnt drop passes, he is where brady wants him to be, he even blocks. The comparison between him and Thompkins isnt even close. Could Jakobi be closer to Amendola than Edelman, or turn into nothing at all? Of course but he is better than Kenbrell Thompkins

[Phaded]

I agree that Meyers cannot be compared to Thompkins, very different players, and even situations.

Right now - Dorsett is the deep threat, Edelman is the slot guy, and Meyers is the possession big body.
Adding Sanu into the mix, it's extremely hard to see Harry carving out a role for himself this year when he comes back. I mean, Meyers was already beating out Harry in the off-season and BB has never been shy about playing the player who is the best fit while ignoring draft capital. I would think that the role that Meyers has is the one that is best suited to Harry's skill set, maybe the slot but he will not be usurping Edelman.

These Patriots seem far more desperate to add supporting talent to Brady than they have in the past. Harry as a first rounder in the NFL was a reach, and now they just coughed up a second rounder for Sanu. It's crazy to see the Patriots managing their team like this, it is quite uncharacteristic.

[lic217]

I agree that Meyers cannot be compared to Thompkins, very different players, and even situations.

Right now - Dorsett is the deep threat, Edelman is the slot guy, and Meyers is the possession big body.
Adding Sanu into the mix, it's extremely hard to see Harry carving out a role for himself this year when he comes back. I mean, Meyers was already beating out Harry in the off-season and BB has never been shy about playing the player who is the best fit while ignoring draft capital. I would think that the role that Meyers has is the one that is best suited to Harry's skill set, maybe the slot but he will not be usurping Edelman.

These Patriots seem far more desperate to add supporting talent to Brady than they have in the past. Harry as a first rounder in the NFL was a reach, and now they just coughed up a second rounder for Sanu. It's crazy to see the Patriots managing their team like this, it is quite uncharacteristic.

They know their window with Brady is closing Josh.

[badbuddah]

I agree that Meyers cannot be compared to Thompkins, very different players, and even situations.

Right now - Dorsett is the deep threat, Edelman is the slot guy, and Meyers is the possession big body.
Adding Sanu into the mix, it's extremely hard to see Harry carving out a role for himself this year when he comes back. I mean, Meyers was already beating out Harry in the off-season and BB has never been shy about playing the player who is the best fit while ignoring draft capital. I would think that the role that Meyers has is the one that is best suited to Harry's skill set, maybe the slot but he will not be usurping Edelman.

These Patriots seem far more desperate to add supporting talent to Brady than they have in the past. Harry as a first rounder in the NFL was a reach, and now they just coughed up a second rounder for Sanu. It's crazy to see the Patriots managing their team like this, it is quite uncharacteristic.

They know their window with Brady is closing Josh.

This and Brady isn't the same guy talent wise he was 10 years ago. No one is immune to the age monster. The insanely good playcalls by the Patriots still get mediocre players wide open, but as Brady ages, they will need to get more guys that can do that on their own. I think the Sanu move is just a reflection of their desperation atm, and signals no Harry this year since the Pats don't need Sanu for the reg season obviously.

[MrUbuto]

This is such a tired take.

Since 2015 brady has been 3rd 5th injured 9th and currently 5th in passing yards.

We all want him to decline and it would make sense he would it's just not factual

[Patsfan86]

This is such a tired take.

Since 2015 brady has been 3rd 5th injured 9th and currently 5th in passing yards.

We all want him to decline and it would make sense he would it's just not factual

Yards dont tell the full story tho. I am a HUGE Pats fan and worship Brady but he isnt the same, he just isnt. Not when i watch him play. This is only the last two seasons though, he was still phenomenal in 2017. Last year there was a definite decline, and the yards show that since he went from 5th to 9th. And this season he is 5th but there is still a long way to go. Brady is still a winner and will win games which is all he cares about but there has been a drop off when i watch him play and there arent any numbers that will convince me otherwise.

[joeya2001]

This is such a tired take.

Since 2015 brady has been 3rd 5th injured 9th and currently 5th in passing yards.

We all want him to decline and it would make sense he would it's just not factual

Yards dont tell the full story tho. I am a HUGE Pats fan and worship Brady but he isnt the same, he just isnt. Not when i watch him play. This is only the last two seasons though, he was still phenomenal in 2017. Last year there was a definite decline, and the yards show that since he went from 5th to 9th. And this season he is 5th but there is still a long way to go. Brady is still a winner and will win games which is all he cares about but there has been a drop off when i watch him play and there arent any numbers that will convince me otherwise.

Well when a dump off or check down goes for 20+ years that helps lol

[badbuddah]

This is such a tired take.

Since 2015 brady has been 3rd 5th injured 9th and currently 5th in passing yards.

We all want him to decline and it would make sense he would it's just not factual

Yards dont tell the full story tho. I am a HUGE Pats fan and worship Brady but he isnt the same, he just isnt. Not when i watch him play. This is only the last two seasons though, he was still phenomenal in 2017. Last year there was a definite decline, and the yards show that since he went from 5th to 9th. And this season he is 5th but there is still a long way to go. Brady is still a winner and will win games which is all he cares about but there has been a drop off when i watch him play and there arent any numbers that will convince me otherwise.

Well when a dump off or check down goes for 20+ years that helps lol

This 1000%. Put him on Green Bay, with receivers that get zero separation, and less pass protection, and watch him get slaughtered. Guy is a statue, and even if he gets a lot of yards we know a lot go to backs and he always has spread it around a lot. Haven't had consistent high production since Welker.

[CGW]

This is absolutely true. Watching him he misses throws now that he would have made every time 5 years ago. He is aging, but he still is able to read the game with the best of them. There is no1 who thinks the Brady Era won't end.

I expected Harry to play this year, but it doesn't bother me if he doesn't. He will get his opportunity.

[Cult of Dionysus]

Anyone who says "Brady is a statute" is a clueless imbecile.

While Brady is obviously terribly IMOBILE, he has incredible pocket awareness and the ability to shift around in the pocket and buy an extra second or so. He's probably one of the best if not the best at this EVER.

Brady is also working with a woeful WR corps and the worst o-line in years. Those two factors have had more to do with his less than stellar numbers than his age.

Oh, and Brady was missing guys 5 and 10 years ago as well. He has never been a great passer who hits everyone and everything the way Peyton or Rodgers did/do. His deep ball has always been terrible. While hs mid range throes have generally been excellent.

Brady is great at finding weaknesses in defenses and capitalizing on them.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Anyone who says "Brady is a statute" is a clueless imbecile.

[MrUbuto]

Anyone who says "Brady is a statute" is a clueless imbecile.

While Brady is obviously terribly IMOBILE, he has incredible pocket awareness and the ability to shift around in the pocket and buy an extra second or so. He's probably one of the best if not the best at this EVER.

Brady is also working with a woeful WR corps and the worst o-line in years. Those two factors have had more to do with his less than stellar numbers than his age.

Oh, and Brady was missing guys 5 and 10 years ago as well. He has never been a great passer who hits everyone and everything the way Peyton or Rodgers did/do. His deep ball has always been terrible. While hs mid range throes have generally been excellent.

Brady is great at finding weaknesses in defenses and capitalizing on them.

Thank you. The only difference between ow and "back then" is talent.

Wes Walker was much better than Edelman a d then of course those moss years. Having a healthy gronk and a law abiding Hernandez was great too.

Brady has not significantly declined he just always has to work with scrubs minus a few rare blips.

Having a true first round talent like harry should REALLY excite brady/Pat's fans.

He'll put up at least 1 monster game to get everyone salivating all off season

[Phaded]

I think "true first round talent" is a stretch, most places had him as a day two pick and he was a very late first, albeit still a reach. It was a desperation pick, much like the desperation Sanu trade.

That said, Brady's physical talent is not where it was - not even close. However, his continued success comes from his understanding of the game and general football intelligence - which I believe is more important than physical talent anyhow.

[dynastyninja]

I think "true first round talent" is a stretch, most places had him as a day two pick and he was a very late first, albeit still a reach. It was a desperation pick, much like the desperation Sanu trade.

That said, Brady's physical talent is not where it was - not even close. However, his continued success comes from his understanding of the game and general football intelligence - which I believe is more important than physical talent anyhow.

especially at QB

[MrUbuto]

I think "true first round talent" is a stretch, most places had him as a day two pick and he was a very late first, albeit still a reach. It was a desperation pick, much like the desperation Sanu trade.

That said, Brady's physical talent is not where it was - not even close. However, his continued success comes from his understanding of the game and general football intelligence - which I believe is more important than physical talent anyhow.

Ok well for fantasy purposes that's irrelevant, he could have 1 leg for all I care as long as he was consistently putting up high QB1 numbers

How can his physical talents have faded. I really don't remember those days when Brady was a track star out there. He's been this highly efficient game manager from day 1.

Didn't we learn a few years ago his 40 time is actually the best it's ever been right now too?

And last point the patriots defense has been there best offense. They are often up 3 scores at the half. Why would they unleash an air attack? Brady can just hand off all game and they will still win and he doesn't risk injury. If the patriots offense never took a single snap the patriots would still be 3-3-1