Any love for Love?
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Re: Any love for Love?
He looks like any other RB lottery ticket at this point.
Re: Any love for Love?
I'm taking him above just a about every other RB lottery ticket, but he is exactly that.
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Re: Any love for Love?
I mean yeah I’d pick him up off waivers if I had space but I’m not gonna go outta my way to get him
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Re: Any love for Love?
IMO he's the best lotto tickets you can get at RB.
Cost
- He's relatively cheap in cost to acquire.
History
- In most 2017 rookie draft forecasts, Love was basically a locked in top 3 rookie draft pick until he decided to go back for his (injury riddled) 2018 senior season.
- At Stanford, Love only fell under 7.1 ypc in his senior season, every other yr he hit 7.1 ypc or above.
- Love put up 2118 rushing yards in his junior yr - more than CMC ever did at Stanford.
- He won the Doak Walker Award, the Lombardi Award, was a unanimous first team All American, the Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year, and was the runner-up for the 2017 Heisman Trophy.
- There is a injury history to consider, but how can everyone so deeply slash Love, but not do the same to Guice.
Situation
- The starting RB situation in front of Love is extremely shaky.
- Guice (while looking great on the field) can't seem to stay on the field.
- AP is AP, another yr older, another year slower. He is what he is.
- Chris Thompson is gone. The only other RB on the roster is Josh Ferguson...
- Riverboat Ron, and Scott Turner, just watched what McCaff can do under them - and Love is much closer to the McCaff type than Guice
Conclusion
Bryce Love was stuck behind CMC at Stanford for his first two yrs - and even still, he put up elite CFB numbers when used in those seasons. Then, in his only healthy season at Stanford, Love absolutely dominated and was voted the best RB in the country. The next yr he got hurt - stuff happens, but that talent didn't just disappear. Now he's going to battle with a 35 yr old AP, and a young/talented RB in Guice, but an RB that has missed 27 out of 32 games the past two seasons.
Buy/add Love for cheap - easily one of the best lotto tickets available.
*Even if Guice or AP is the starting RB at the begining of 2020, the chances they stay healthy or remain the starter are shaky at best, so at worst he's a great cuff with a high probability of future usage
Cost
- He's relatively cheap in cost to acquire.
History
- In most 2017 rookie draft forecasts, Love was basically a locked in top 3 rookie draft pick until he decided to go back for his (injury riddled) 2018 senior season.
- At Stanford, Love only fell under 7.1 ypc in his senior season, every other yr he hit 7.1 ypc or above.
- Love put up 2118 rushing yards in his junior yr - more than CMC ever did at Stanford.
- He won the Doak Walker Award, the Lombardi Award, was a unanimous first team All American, the Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year, and was the runner-up for the 2017 Heisman Trophy.
- There is a injury history to consider, but how can everyone so deeply slash Love, but not do the same to Guice.
Situation
- The starting RB situation in front of Love is extremely shaky.
- Guice (while looking great on the field) can't seem to stay on the field.
- AP is AP, another yr older, another year slower. He is what he is.
- Chris Thompson is gone. The only other RB on the roster is Josh Ferguson...
- Riverboat Ron, and Scott Turner, just watched what McCaff can do under them - and Love is much closer to the McCaff type than Guice
Conclusion
Bryce Love was stuck behind CMC at Stanford for his first two yrs - and even still, he put up elite CFB numbers when used in those seasons. Then, in his only healthy season at Stanford, Love absolutely dominated and was voted the best RB in the country. The next yr he got hurt - stuff happens, but that talent didn't just disappear. Now he's going to battle with a 35 yr old AP, and a young/talented RB in Guice, but an RB that has missed 27 out of 32 games the past two seasons.
Buy/add Love for cheap - easily one of the best lotto tickets available.
*Even if Guice or AP is the starting RB at the begining of 2020, the chances they stay healthy or remain the starter are shaky at best, so at worst he's a great cuff with a high probability of future usage
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Re: Any love for Love?
they do with guice too.Johnny Canuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:09 am - There is a injury history to consider, but how can everyone so deeply slash Love, but not do the same to Guice.
you seem to consider guice's injuries worse than love's though.
that said, i acquired love in a trade in mid season as a guice insurance. that means adrian peterson is going to be the back to own. again.
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Re: Any love for Love?
you are correct.killer_of_giants wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:18 amthey do with guice too.Johnny Canuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:09 am - There is a injury history to consider, but how can everyone so deeply slash Love, but not do the same to Guice.
you seem to consider guice's injuries worse than love's though.
that said, i acquired love in a trade in mid season as a guice insurance. that means adrian peterson is going to be the back to own. again.
I do consider Guice's injury history a bit more alarming than Love's, but they're basically equal on the injur-o-meter imo.
Also, Guice is still going for pretty high price tags in my leagues (but it might be league specific).
An owner in a league of mine, paid Dhop & Watson for Guice & 1.05 - that price tag compared to picking up Love off the ww, or getting him for a essentially a 3rd, is a massive difference for me. Your return on investment is just so much greater with Love.
Esp since, their per snap stats in CFB weren't that different - Love's may even be better efficiency wise (excluding Loves injured senior season).
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Re: Any love for Love?
I don't disagree that Love and even Guice are good buys, but it seems inevitable that Washington will bring in another RB. New Coach and offensive system, and the only signed backs are unproven due to injury.
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Re: Any love for Love?
I love Guice and even I think that's an incredibly bad deal. Holy cow.Johnny Canuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:32 am An owner in a league of mine, paid Dhop & Watson for Guice & 1.05
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Re: Any love for Love?
that isn't the norm tho, trust me! but i see where you're coming from.Johnny Canuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:32 am you are correct.
I do consider Guice's injury history a bit more alarming than Love's, but they're basically equal on the injur-o-meter imo.
Also, Guice is still going for pretty high price tags in my leagues (but it might be league specific).
An owner in a league of mine, paid Dhop & Watson for Guice & 1.05 - that price tag compared to picking up Love off the ww, or getting him for a essentially a 3rd, is a massive difference for me. Your return on investment is just so much greater with Love.
injury-wise though, i think it's a wash, i wouldn't cite guice's injuries to bang the love drum.
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Re: Any love for Love?
Love passed his physical coming into camp. Gibson's role will largely be the same IMO, maybe a few more added touches, but AP is the obvious short term winner here. I think this is the chance Love needed, now we will see if he can hang.
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Re: Any love for Love?
Love might be the starter when the dust settles.
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Re: Any love for Love?
There is no winner: Love is a smaller version of Guice who also can't get on the field, Gibson has almost no RB experience, and AP is ancient on one of the worst offenses in football.
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Maybe that's what they should rename themselves - the Washington Zeros.
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Re: Any love for Love?
Opportunity to emerge is there. My money is on the young bucks Gibson and Love. Both are incredibly electric RBs that can be relevant even with limited touches.DLF3000 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:37 pm There is no winner: Love is a smaller version of Guice who also can't get on the field, Gibson has almost no RB experience, and AP is ancient on one of the worst offenses in football.
WFT is a bottom-of-the-barrel franchise in every sense. Expect about zero wins this year.
Maybe that's what they should rename themselves - the Washington Zeros.
I lean Love a little because of his college production, but Gibson’s got all of the tools to be the next David Johnson
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Re: Any love for Love?
Honest question. Not for you in particular, but when is the last guy to become a RB to that level in the NFL that was never a primary ball carrier at any stage of his career prior to the NFL?IZigUZag wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:46 pmOpportunity to emerge is there. My money is on the young bucks Gibson and Love. Both are incredibly electric RBs that can be relevant even with limited touches.DLF3000 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:37 pm There is no winner: Love is a smaller version of Guice who also can't get on the field, Gibson has almost no RB experience, and AP is ancient on one of the worst offenses in football.
WFT is a bottom-of-the-barrel franchise in every sense. Expect about zero wins this year.
Maybe that's what they should rename themselves - the Washington Zeros.
I lean Love a little because of his college production, but Gibson’s got all of the tools to be the next David Johnson
He had 33 carries at Memphis, 43 at East Central Community College, and 126 in high school. No doubt he can be an explosive gadget COP type player, but what DJ did his first few years was off the charts.
Also, Gibson has been splitting time between WR and RB in camp, to my knowledge.
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Re: Any love for Love?
Not that it should inspire any unbridled optimism re: Gibson, but Ty Montgomery springs to mind.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:15 pmHonest question. Not for you in particular, but when is the last guy to become a RB to that level in the NFL that was never a primary ball carrier at any stage of his career prior to the NFL?IZigUZag wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:46 pmOpportunity to emerge is there. My money is on the young bucks Gibson and Love. Both are incredibly electric RBs that can be relevant even with limited touches.DLF3000 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:37 pm There is no winner: Love is a smaller version of Guice who also can't get on the field, Gibson has almost no RB experience, and AP is ancient on one of the worst offenses in football.
WFT is a bottom-of-the-barrel franchise in every sense. Expect about zero wins this year.
Maybe that's what they should rename themselves - the Washington Zeros.
I lean Love a little because of his college production, but Gibson’s got all of the tools to be the next David Johnson
He had 33 carries at Memphis, 43 at East Central Community College, and 126 in high school. No doubt he can be an explosive gadget COP type player, but what DJ did his first few years was off the charts.
Also, Gibson has been splitting time between WR and RB in camp, to my knowledge.
As far as Love goes, I just picked him up in the two leagues where he was available. Dropped Trayveon Williams for him on team 2 and Justice Hill on team 3.
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