Some thoughts on the 2020 Rookie Class

[Johnny B. Goode]

Curios to hear why you think CEH is destined for a Hines roll in the NFL. They play nothing alike.

I assume its a size thing, I know he's built solid so it shouldn't matter but we've seen players like Gio and Duke get type cast into that role so it's not out of the question for it to happen again.
Just to clarify this isn't my opinion of him.

No, it's not a size thing.

I suppose Duke Johnson and Gio are two other examples too. I see a player that is destined for a passing only role because of the copycat nature of the NFL. An example is NE was effective using James White in this way. They arent the only ones but now everyone seems to be doing it. TEN went back to smashmouth RB football and was effective in slowing the fast paced game down and coming away with some impressive wins. I think we may see the pendulum swing a little back that way but not completely. I say he is destined for this role because many NFL teams are going with a pass catching only back and then a running rb. CEH is not an everytown NFL back IMO.

For CEH to be of any value in fantasy he needs to get consistent receptions like Brian Westbrook or James White. Otherwise hes just another Duke Johnson, Gio Bernard, Nyheim Hines taking up space on your bench and *might* blow up a game or two during the season. Not a player I'd want to spend a 1st round rookie pick on. In that case give me one of these WRs I can probably trade alone or in a package deal for a real RB later.

[Packerland]

Curios to hear why you think CEH is destined for a Hines roll in the NFL. They play nothing alike.

I assume its a size thing, I know he's built solid so it shouldn't matter but we've seen players like Gio and Duke get type cast into that role so it's not out of the question for it to happen again.
Just to clarify this isn't my opinion of him.

No, it's not a size thing.

That's what she said.

[DJB]

CEH to me is a better prospect than Singletary and Singletary has shown well so far.

Granted CEH is definitely a better recieving back and in pass pro. Arguable on who's better between the tackles

[Straycatz2]

No, it's not a size thing.

I suppose Duke Johnson and Gio are two other examples too. I see a player that is destined for a passing only role because of the copycat nature of the NFL. An example is NE was effective using James White in this way. They arent the only ones but now everyone seems to be doing it. TEN went back to smashmouth RB football and was effective in slowing the fast paced game down and coming away with some impressive wins. I think we may see the pendulum swing a little back that way but not completely. I say he is destined for this role because many NFL teams are going with a pass catching only back and then a running rb. CEH is not an everytown NFL back IMO.

For CEH to be of any value in fantasy he needs to get consistent receptions like Brian Westbrook or James White. Otherwise hes just another Duke Johnson, Gio Bernard, Nyheim Hines taking up space on your bench and *might* blow up a game or two during the season. Not a player I'd want to spend a 1st round rookie pick on. In that case give me one of these WRs I can probably trade alone or in a package deal for a real RB later.

I posted this earlier, but he really looks like he would be a elite RPO back and has good vision. Much more than a pass catching back.
Check out these:
https://twitter.com/JMoyerFB/status/122 ... 72736?s=19

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/statu ... 7513590785

https://twitter.com/JMoyerFB/status/1228088559795499008

[Krypto_King]

I can't think of two worse stylistic comps than CEH = Nyheim Hines or Akers = Rojo

[cantguardjake]

I can't think of two worse stylistic comps than CEH = Nyheim Hines or Akers = Rojo

Yea I agree they aren’t even remotely close.

Honestly at this stage CEH is at least equal RB1 for me with Taylor on ability, but I have some concerns with his pass protection which is alarming.

[Johnny B. Goode]

No, it's not a size thing.

I suppose Duke Johnson and Gio are two other examples too. I see a player that is destined for a passing only role because of the copycat nature of the NFL. An example is NE was effective using James White in this way. They arent the only ones but now everyone seems to be doing it. TEN went back to smashmouth RB football and was effective in slowing the fast paced game down and coming away with some impressive wins. I think we may see the pendulum swing a little back that way but not completely. I say he is destined for this role because many NFL teams are going with a pass catching only back and then a running rb. CEH is not an everytown NFL back IMO.

For CEH to be of any value in fantasy he needs to get consistent receptions like Brian Westbrook or James White. Otherwise hes just another Duke Johnson, Gio Bernard, Nyheim Hines taking up space on your bench and *might* blow up a game or two during the season. Not a player I'd want to spend a 1st round rookie pick on. In that case give me one of these WRs I can probably trade alone or in a package deal for a real RB later.

I posted this earlier, but he really looks like he would be a elite RPO back and has good vision. Much more than a pass catching back.
Check out these:
https://twitter.com/JMoyerFB/status/122 ... 72736?s=19

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/statu ... 7513590785

https://twitter.com/JMoyerFB/status/1228088559795499008

Worth a other look I guess, but I dont think he climbs very high for me

I want to give CEH a chance but I just don't see an NFL 3 down back...

[dynastyaggie]

I can't think of two worse stylistic comps than CEH = Nyheim Hines or Akers = Rojo

Yea I agree they aren’t even remotely close.

Honestly at this stage CEH is at least equal RB1 for me with Taylor on ability, but I have some concerns with his pass protection which is alarming.

Pass Pro is one of the more coachable traits for RBs. Not terribly worried about this. Hopefully my league mates are, however, and maybe CEH slips a bit. I think CEH is a Ray Rice clone (minus the off field issues hopefully).

[FantasyFreak]

I can't think of two worse stylistic comps than CEH = Nyheim Hines or Akers = Rojo

Yea I agree they aren’t even remotely close.

Honestly at this stage CEH is at least equal RB1 for me with Taylor on ability, but I have some concerns with his pass protection which is alarming.

Pass Pro is one of the more coachable traits for RBs. Not terribly worried about this. Hopefully my league mates are, however, and maybe CEH slips a bit. I think CEH is a Ray Rice clone (minus the off field issues hopefully).

Most college backs need work on pass pro. College coaches simply don't spend a lot of time on it, as the time with players is limited. One of the things I've heard when evaluating for pass pro isn't so much technique, but effort. The technique can be taught, but you need a player willing to get "stuck in", so to speak.

[Orenthal Shames]

Yea I agree they aren’t even remotely close.

Honestly at this stage CEH is at least equal RB1 for me with Taylor on ability, but I have some concerns with his pass protection which is alarming.

Pass Pro is one of the more coachable traits for RBs. Not terribly worried about this. Hopefully my league mates are, however, and maybe CEH slips a bit. I think CEH is a Ray Rice clone (minus the off field issues hopefully).

Most college backs need work on pass pro. College coaches simply don't spend a lot of time on it, as the time with players is limited. One of the things I've heard when evaluating for pass pro isn't so much technique, but effort. The technique can be taught, but you need a player willing to get "stuck in", so to speak.

Agree. People were down on Miles Sanders for his pass pro this time last year and he was de-cleating mofos by the end of the season.

[cantguardjake]

I never saw an issue with Sanders pass pro, I didn’t realise that was a thing?

CEH is straight garbage in pass pro, the whiff diving chop block is his specialty.

[Packerland]

Interesting tidbit: Jonathan Taylor had exactly 61 rushes of 10+ yards in each of his 3 seasons at Wisconsin. Big play waiting to happen!

[stoneghost28]

Haven’t seen a lot of Cam Akers discussion as of late, is he consistently sliding to the RB5 at this (admittedly very early) stage? Putting up the numbers he did behind an atrocious line makes me consider him a screaming value if he drops to the late 1st/early 2nd in rookie drafts.

I can see only that late 1st/early 2nd scenario playing out if he has a terrible combine and as a result falls to day 3. I suppose it could also happen if he fell into a committee situation/drafted by a team that already has a bellcow. Barring those things happening he seems like a lock to go no later than mid first, to the back end of the mid first (8th-9th). I can't really see him falling into round 2 unless it's superflex and one of those awful scenario's plays out. For now, he's somewhere between 3rd-5th for me, the DLF people seem to have him at 1.06, and it seems like other people have him more 1.05-1.10 pending the combine and answers from the draft.

Thinking about RB landing spots that wouldn't be total headaches?
Miami
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Houston
Kansas city
San Diego if they move on from Gordon
Indy if they move on from Mack
Tennessee if they move on from Henry
Arizona if Drake leaves
Baltimore if they move on from Ingram
NYJ if they move on from Bell.

When I think about that, it actually makes me even more nervous as there's only really maybe 5 or 6 total teams that I'd be largely comfortable with a rookie RB landing on, every other situation needs other dominoes to fall.

[alewilliam789]

You guys are way to high on CEH. Looks like a good back, but no way he’s even close to Taylor. Even if Taylor can’t catch the ball (which in itself isn’t proven). This seems like a Hakeem Butler Matt Waldman take

[Hottoddies]

I never saw an issue with Sanders pass pro, I didn’t realise that was a thing?

CEH is straight garbage in pass pro, the whiff diving chop block is his specialty.

Where are you getting this from? This wasn't something I noticed when I watched his tape so I went back for a 2nd look. In the 8 games I found there were 24 times he stayed back in pass protection. There were only 3 times he failed; twice off of play action, one in which he was totally out of position to pick up a blitzer, and a third on a missed chop block. As a matter of fact he only attempted 3 chop blocks in those 8 games missing only once. I would hardly call that a specialty.

If anything, I would knock him for a lack of experience in pass pro. The majority of times he would be sent out to run routes. Compared to most other college backs I would be tempted to even give him a passing grade.