Aaron Jones...sell??

[Vcize]

He's in this weird place where it's almost like his value is lower because he scored so many TDs.

People are so focused on the TD regression that they just gloss right over his 1550 yards and 50 receptions. Normally when a 24 year old puts up 1550 yards and 50 receptions he becomes a coveted player regardless of what his TD totals are.

But people are so focused on the TDs collapsing his value and they look right over that. Hence comments like the above that mention him as a high RB2 because his TDs will regress. Fun fact of the day, even if Jones had only scored 6 TDs this year he still would have finished as a RB on his yardage/reception totals.

[Jigga94]

I said nothing about TD... I just don't think he repeats this stellar season. Some big blow up games but not a very high floor

[Vcize]

I said nothing about TD... I just don't think he repeats this stellar season. Some big blow up games but not a very high floor

Yeah I didn't mean to say you in general, just some of the discussion about him going around.

I actually think his value would be higher right now if he had gone for 1550 yards with 8 TDs this season than it is right now with him going for 1550 and 19 TDs. Because then people (not you necessarily) would be focusing more on what he did do rather than what he won't be able to repeat.

[Jigga94]

I said nothing about TD... I just don't think he repeats this stellar season. Some big blow up games but not a very high floor

Yeah I didn't mean to say you in general, just some of the discussion about him going around.

I actually think his value would be higher right now if he had gone for 1550 yards with 8 TDs this season than it is right now with him going for 1550 and 19 TDs. Because then people (not you necessarily) would be focusing more on what he did do rather than what he won't be able to repeat.

No worries haha. By the numbers he should be a RB1 in my opinion. Just don't think the consensus will buy that moving forward. Maybe it's his situation combined with 5th round draft capital? I think he's a great talent, there's just something holding his value back, so if you can sell for the value of a RB1 I'd say go for it.

In no order... CMC, Barkley, Zeke, Kamara, Jacobs, Cook, Chubb, Henry will all for sure be valued ahead of him. That's 9th at best for Jones. Then whether you agree or not, there's guys like Mixon, Ekeler, LF, Gurley, Sanders, who could be in the same conversation as Jones. So I guess Jones would be in my 10-15 range. A few guys like Drake, Lindsay, Carson, Mack, Gordon and Hunt are right behind those but could have good seasons depending on if their situations improve

[Chwf3rd]

What is his value in draft picks?

[Jfever]

Mid to early 1st 1.03-1.08 would be the pick value I’d put on A.Jones.

[Hottoddies]

Mid to early 1st 1.03-1.08 would be the pick value I’d put on A.Jones.

If we're talking 2020 picks, 1.03 might be a bit rich. I'd rather have at least 4 or 5 rookies over Jones.

[Shankopotamus]

I'm thinking like 1300 yards and 12 TDs next season. Still a great back to own. The guy is basically Kamara lite.

[PigeonBoys]

I said nothing about TD... I just don't think he repeats this stellar season. Some big blow up games but not a very high floor

Yeah I didn't mean to say you in general, just some of the discussion about him going around.

I actually think his value would be higher right now if he had gone for 1550 yards with 8 TDs this season than it is right now with him going for 1550 and 19 TDs. Because then people (not you necessarily) would be focusing more on what he did do rather than what he won't be able to repeat.

No worries haha. By the numbers he should be a RB1 in my opinion. Just don't think the consensus will buy that moving forward. Maybe it's his situation combined with 5th round draft capital? I think he's a great talent, there's just something holding his value back, so if you can sell for the value of a RB1 I'd say go for it.

In no order... CMC, Barkley, Zeke, Kamara, Jacobs, Cook, Chubb, Henry will all for sure be valued ahead of him. That's 9th at best for Jones. Then whether you agree or not, there's guys like Mixon, Ekeler, LF, Gurley, Sanders, who could be in the same conversation as Jones. So I guess Jones would be in my 10-15 range. A few guys like Drake, Lindsay, Carson, Mack, Gordon and Hunt are right behind those but could have good seasons depending on if their situations improve

I’ve been seeing this a lot (nothing really to do with your post, just wanting to take this convo elsewhere lol) where Derrick Henry has been crowned the next big thing but why does anyone think that? The case against jones could also be made for Henry in my opinion. Henry doesn’t catch anything and was as heavily reliant on TDS. Generally the lack of involvement in the passing game keeps an rbs value from reaching too high into the RB1 stratosphere, but not with Henry. Henry had incredible volume and still Jones had more points this year. I just see these two evaluated so differently and the narratives are so different even though I see some similarities in how their seasons shook out.

[FantasyFreak]

Yeah I didn't mean to say you in general, just some of the discussion about him going around.

I actually think his value would be higher right now if he had gone for 1550 yards with 8 TDs this season than it is right now with him going for 1550 and 19 TDs. Because then people (not you necessarily) would be focusing more on what he did do rather than what he won't be able to repeat.

No worries haha. By the numbers he should be a RB1 in my opinion. Just don't think the consensus will buy that moving forward. Maybe it's his situation combined with 5th round draft capital? I think he's a great talent, there's just something holding his value back, so if you can sell for the value of a RB1 I'd say go for it.

In no order... CMC, Barkley, Zeke, Kamara, Jacobs, Cook, Chubb, Henry will all for sure be valued ahead of him. That's 9th at best for Jones. Then whether you agree or not, there's guys like Mixon, Ekeler, LF, Gurley, Sanders, who could be in the same conversation as Jones. So I guess Jones would be in my 10-15 range. A few guys like Drake, Lindsay, Carson, Mack, Gordon and Hunt are right behind those but could have good seasons depending on if their situations improve

I’ve been seeing this a lot (nothing really to do with your post, just wanting to take this convo elsewhere lol) where Derrick Henry has been crowned the next big thing but why does anyone think that? The case against jones could also be made for Henry in my opinion. Henry doesn’t catch anything and was as heavily reliant on TDS. Generally the lack of involvement in the passing game keeps an rbs value from reaching too high into the RB1 stratosphere, but not with Henry. Henry had incredible volume and still Jones had more points this year. I just see these two evaluated so differently and the narratives are so different even though I see some similarities in how their seasons shook out.

Not really. He had 303 carries, which is a lot, but Chubb and CMC Zeke etc. were in the same ball park. He was extremely efficient as well. 5.1 YPC. There have been tons of RB's with more carries in a year, but I think people know DH is going to be the focal point of an offense for the next few years, and he's arguably the best runner in the league right now, so I really can't blame anyone having him as a top back.

[PigeonBoys]

No worries haha. By the numbers he should be a RB1 in my opinion. Just don't think the consensus will buy that moving forward. Maybe it's his situation combined with 5th round draft capital? I think he's a great talent, there's just something holding his value back, so if you can sell for the value of a RB1 I'd say go for it.

In no order... CMC, Barkley, Zeke, Kamara, Jacobs, Cook, Chubb, Henry will all for sure be valued ahead of him. That's 9th at best for Jones. Then whether you agree or not, there's guys like Mixon, Ekeler, LF, Gurley, Sanders, who could be in the same conversation as Jones. So I guess Jones would be in my 10-15 range. A few guys like Drake, Lindsay, Carson, Mack, Gordon and Hunt are right behind those but could have good seasons depending on if their situations improve

I’ve been seeing this a lot (nothing really to do with your post, just wanting to take this convo elsewhere lol) where Derrick Henry has been crowned the next big thing but why does anyone think that? The case against jones could also be made for Henry in my opinion. Henry doesn’t catch anything and was as heavily reliant on TDS. Generally the lack of involvement in the passing game keeps an rbs value from reaching too high into the RB1 stratosphere, but not with Henry. Henry had incredible volume and still Jones had more points this year. I just see these two evaluated so differently and the narratives are so different even though I see some similarities in how their seasons shook out.

Not really. He had 303 carries, which is a lot, but Chubb and CMC Zeke etc. were in the same ball park. He was extremely efficient as well. 5.1 YPC. There have been tons of RB's with more carries in a year, but I think people know DH is going to be the focal point of an offense for the next few years, and he's arguably the best runner in the league right now, so I really can't blame anyone having him as a top back.

He did lead the league in attempts but I get what you’re saying, he didn’t have 400 attempts. I can fault someone for that, he doesn’t have near the potential of cmc and Zeke as a grinder, both those guys have receiving chops while Henry doesn’t. This is what I’m saying, why is the consensus so high on Henry when he needs double digit tds to be an RB1? Do we forget how low Henry was before the last four games last year and beyond? He may be one the best pure rushers but that doesn’t mean the best from a fantasy perspective especially in any ppr format.

Kind of off topic I get that, just a perspective kind of talk surrounding two guys that had incredible seasons. I think there are questions surrounding Jones longevity for sure, my point is that RBs that don’t have as much ppr value usually cannot be lumped into the elite category as Henry is right now.

[Vcize]

He did lead the league in attempts but I get what you’re saying, he didn’t have 400 attempts. I can fault someone for that, he doesn’t have near the potential of cmc and Zeke as a grinder, both those guys have receiving chops while Henry doesn’t. This is what I’m saying, why is the consensus so high on Henry when he needs double digit tds to be an RB1? Do we forget how low Henry was before the last four games last year and beyond? He may be one the best pure rushers but that doesn’t mean the best from a fantasy perspective especially in any ppr format.

Kind of off topic I get that, just a perspective kind of talk surrounding two guys that had incredible seasons. I think there are questions surrounding Jones longevity for sure, my point is that RBs that don’t have as much ppr value usually cannot be lumped into the elite category as Henry is right now.

Which is doubly interesting because people have this perception that Jones needs lots of TDs to be a RB1 when he doesn't. Had Jones finished with 5 TDs this year he still would have finished as a low RB1.

You could take 10 TDs away from Jones this year and he still would have finished ahead of guys like Nick Chubb and Josh Jacobs in PPG, in what were considered great seasons by those guys.

[Jigga94]

No worries haha. By the numbers he should be a RB1 in my opinion. Just don't think the consensus will buy that moving forward. Maybe it's his situation combined with 5th round draft capital? I think he's a great talent, there's just something holding his value back, so if you can sell for the value of a RB1 I'd say go for it.

In no order... CMC, Barkley, Zeke, Kamara, Jacobs, Cook, Chubb, Henry will all for sure be valued ahead of him. That's 9th at best for Jones. Then whether you agree or not, there's guys like Mixon, Ekeler, LF, Gurley, Sanders, who could be in the same conversation as Jones. So I guess Jones would be in my 10-15 range. A few guys like Drake, Lindsay, Carson, Mack, Gordon and Hunt are right behind those but could have good seasons depending on if their situations improve

I’ve been seeing this a lot (nothing really to do with your post, just wanting to take this convo elsewhere lol) where Derrick Henry has been crowned the next big thing but why does anyone think that? The case against jones could also be made for Henry in my opinion. Henry doesn’t catch anything and was as heavily reliant on TDS. Generally the lack of involvement in the passing game keeps an rbs value from reaching too high into the RB1 stratosphere, but not with Henry. Henry had incredible volume and still Jones had more points this year. I just see these two evaluated so differently and the narratives are so different even though I see some similarities in how their seasons shook out.

Not really. He had 303 carries, which is a lot, but Chubb and CMC Zeke etc. were in the same ball park. He was extremely efficient as well. 5.1 YPC. There have been tons of RB's with more carries in a year, but I think people know DH is going to be the focal point of an offense for the next few years, and he's arguably the best runner in the league right now, so I really can't blame anyone having him as a top back.

This. I have this strange feeling that if Jones fumbled or did something dumb he would be dropped for J. Williams in an instant. I know it probably wouldn't happen but lack of draft capital on Jones will always be there. With Henry, I'm not even sure who his backup is and TEN is committed to the run. GB loves to phase the run out when they are behind and let Arod throw it 50 times.

Also, Henry is a tank out there. I can't remember a RB of his size running as fast as he does.

[AussieMate]

I’ve been seeing this a lot (nothing really to do with your post, just wanting to take this convo elsewhere lol) where Derrick Henry has been crowned the next big thing but why does anyone think that? The case against jones could also be made for Henry in my opinion. Henry doesn’t catch anything and was as heavily reliant on TDS. Generally the lack of involvement in the passing game keeps an rbs value from reaching too high into the RB1 stratosphere, but not with Henry. Henry had incredible volume and still Jones had more points this year. I just see these two evaluated so differently and the narratives are so different even though I see some similarities in how their seasons shook out.

Not really. He had 303 carries, which is a lot, but Chubb and CMC Zeke etc. were in the same ball park. He was extremely efficient as well. 5.1 YPC. There have been tons of RB's with more carries in a year, but I think people know DH is going to be the focal point of an offense for the next few years, and he's arguably the best runner in the league right now, so I really can't blame anyone having him as a top back.

This. I have this strange feeling that if Jones fumbled or did something dumb he would be dropped for J. Williams in an instant. I know it probably wouldn't happen but lack of draft capital on Jones will always be there. With Henry, I'm not even sure who his backup is and TEN is committed to the run. GB loves to phase the run out when they are behind and let Arod throw it 50 times.

Also, Henry is a tank out there. I can't remember a RB of his size running as fast as he does.

Jones dropped an easy catch and fumbled in like his first 3 touches of a game near the end of the season and they went straight back to him to have a huge game. GB finally realise that Williams just isn't as good and they know what they have in Jones. I don't know if he will ever have a better season but it did seem like GB gave up on the 50/50 share and went with Jones and can't see them turning around next year and going back.

[Jigga94]

I've always thought Williams was bad. Was never sure if GB would see it the same way. FWIW I think Williams and Jones receiving numbers are pretty close. Seemed like Williams had more TD but Jones probably had more usage overall. I think that's where Williams will still get some work. Unless they magically find a WR2 that Rodgers likes (lol)