2020 BAD Trade Offers

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Jigga94 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:10 am

FiremanEd wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:35 am
Okay, yeah, the ‘blame’ can still be put on him...but putting blame on a guy who doesn’t care or doesn’t even know doesn’t mean much. Not sure ‘blame’ really matters. I tossed out a potential cause and resolution. Maybe he does see the comments on a Reject. I don’t know, nor really care. It was just a thought to address your ‘issue’.
I thought it was a good potential cause and resolution you tossed out. Your posts are always well thought out. I knew a former leaguemate who couldn't receive the messages in the emails. We ended up going to 3rd party apps for chatting within our leagues for this reason. Has worked out very well.

And you're right, blame doesn't matter here. Who's wrong and right doesn't matter... If you don't communicate with each other then the only thing you can count on is expecting more of this to occur
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - [b]14 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, Baker, D. Jones, Eason
RB: JT, Mostert, Gaskin, Dillon, Gus, Mattison, McFarland, Snell, Wilson, McKissic, Darrel
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Mims, Hardman, Preston, Parris
TE: Andrews, Fant, Henry
2021: 1.10, 2, 3, 4, 5.08, 5.10, 6, 7, 9, 10

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - [b]20 Keepers[/b]
QB: [b]Mahomes, Ryan,[/b] Minshew, Trubisky, Mariota
RB: [b]Saquon, Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt,[/b] Penny, Snell
WR: [b]AJB, DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, C. Davis, C. Samuel,[/b] G. Davis, Mooney, Lazard, J. Washington
TE: [b]Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Tonyan,[/b] Irv
2021: 1.03, 2.05, 2.09, 3.05, 3.09
2022: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:18 am

FiremanEd wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:35 am
Okay, yeah, the ‘blame’ can still be put on him...but putting blame on a guy who doesn’t care or doesn’t even know doesn’t mean much. Not sure ‘blame’ really matters. I tossed out a potential cause and resolution. Maybe he does see the comments on a Reject. I don’t know, nor really care. It was just a thought to address your ‘issue’.
For real. It's good insight. Didn't mean to sound as if your comment isn't well thought out, it is. If you are leaving messages in the actual declined response, and the guy is still oblivious, he needs a lesson in understanding basic protocols of the app and emails. :lol: It would certainly prevent further instances, if you found out if he's simply oblivious, or just being an @ss, then you can move forward dealing with him accordingly. It's actually a good point, sorry for being so brusque.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:09 am

12 team PPR SF

Give: Laviska + Fulgham

Receive: N'Keal + Jeff Wilson + '21 4

He keeps sending me different versions of this deal and they seem to progressively be getting worse. It's kind of annoying so I countered with

Give: Laviska + Fulgham
Receive: Justin Herbert + Jordan Love

Hopefully he gets the hint.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby The Godwin Complex » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:32 pm

Give: Chubb

Receive: Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell :lol:

And this is AFTER I’ve stated that I’m looking to rebuild.
2020 BOLD PREDICTIONS
James Robinson’s 2020 production in PPR will be comparable to or better than
Antonio Gibson, DeAndre Swift, and Cam Akers.
Are You Willing To Put Up or Shut Up?
Make Your Bold Prediction Here



12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: B. Roethlisberger (PIT)
RB: N. Chubb (CLE), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: C. Godwin (TB), C. Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT),
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: J. Landry (CLE), D. Harris (NE), R. Cobb (HOU)
SUPERFLEX: Sam Darnold (NYJ)


BENCH:
QB: G. Minshew (JAX), J. Luton (Jax), M. Rudolph (PIT)
RB: R. Penny (SEA), S. Michel (NE), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), J. Howard (MIA), J. Wilkins (IND), C. Patterson (CHI)
WR: T. Fulgham (PHI), G. Olszewski (NE), W. Snead (BAL), A. Tate (CIN), L. Fitzgerald (AZ),
TE: D. Asiasi (NE), D. Njoku (CLE), D. Keene (NE)

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby MontrealBen » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:39 pm

The Godwin Complex wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:32 pm
Give: Chubb

Receive: Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell :lol:

And this is AFTER I’ve stated that I’m looking to rebuild.
Woooooof
(1) 10 team standard
Jackson, Brady, Newton
Mixon, Bell, Conner, Gordon, DFreeman, McCoy, Barber, Ballage
OBJ, Cooper, Godwin, Green, Boyd, MWilliams, CDavis, Quinn, PWilliams, ABrown
Ertz, Goedert, Burton
(1.06, 2.01, 2.06, 3.06, 3.07, 4.06)

(2) 12 team, PPR, superflex, TE premium
Mahomes, Winston, Hurts, Daniels
Cook, Mixon, Drake, Carson, Montgomery, Guice, Lindsay, White, JWilliams
Cooper, Godwin, Lockett, Jeffrey, Samuel, Fitzgerald, Tate, Edwards, Goodwin, Reynolds, Gordon
Higbee, Dissly, Howard, Sternberger

(3) 10 team, 0.5 PPR
Murray, Newton, Brissett
Kamara, Conner, Swift, Dobbins, Thompson, ISmith, RFreeman, DaWilliams, DHenderson, Hilliard, DeWilliams, BHill, Snell
Hopkins, Woods, Harry, DJax, Edwards, MVS, Tate, Duvernay, Pettis, Ross, DPJ, Quinn, Taylor, Ginn, Amendola, Wilson, Hamilton, Reynolds, Pascal, Cain, Pringle
Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, Knox, Watson, Kroft

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby airforceones25 » Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:00 am

Give: Antonio Gibson

Receive: Rashaan Evans


I'm getting so sick of these clowns overvaluing their LBers.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Mephistopheles » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 pm

This is from a 1-9 team in a 1QB league.

I offered him an early 2nd for Conner which I thought was quite generous.

He countered with

I give J. Jefferson, mid 1st
I get Conner


Yeah, have fun when Conner's value craters after this year.
PSA - Haggling is NOT the same as negotiating.

From the home office in Grand Rapids, MI, the Top 5 signs you suck as a trade partner (and probably as a human being)

5. You can name or fabricate 5 risks on every player not on your team.
4. You always respond that you don't value another team's players as highly as they do.
3. You steer conversations away from ADP or any other form of consensus or rankings to gauge trade value.
2. Your trade strategy centers around seeing where someone's at on a player or that "it's just a first offer".
1. Your trade offers are rejected without counter or outright ignored.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby hoos89 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:36 pm

Mephistopheles wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 pm
This is from a 1-9 team in a 1QB league.

I offered him an early 2nd for Conner which I thought was quite generous.

He countered with

I give J. Jefferson, mid 1st
I get Conner


Yeah, have fun when Conner's value craters after this year.
The counter is absurd but I don't really agree that an early 2nd for Conner is "quite generous". Possible he found it to be a lowball and sent the counter to make a point? Or maybe he's just bad at valuing players idk.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2020 Runner-up
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Taylor, Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, D. Harris, McKinnon, Ahmed, Guice, Michel
AJB, Aiyuk, DJM, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon
Andrews, Eifert, Herndon
IR(3): Sutton, Gaskin, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1.02, 1.05, 1.11, 3.02, 3.11, 4.11, 5.11

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater, Eason
Barkley, CEH, Ito, J. Jackson, Bowden, Homer, Love, Guice
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, T. Higgins, Jeudy, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Foster, Hansen, Harmon, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Pettis
Hooper, Eifert, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1.04, 1.07, 1.08, 1.11, 2.03, 2.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09, 3.11, 4.04

Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Mephistopheles » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:45 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:36 pm
Mephistopheles wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 pm
This is from a 1-9 team in a 1QB league.

I offered him an early 2nd for Conner which I thought was quite generous.

He countered with

I give J. Jefferson, mid 1st
I get Conner


Yeah, have fun when Conner's value craters after this year.
The counter is absurd but I don't really agree that an early 2nd for Conner is "quite generous". Possible he found it to be a lowball and sent the counter to make a point? Or maybe he's just bad at valuing players idk.
I have Conner in another, similar league where I'm not a contender. Put him on the trade block, had 3 contending teams inquire (one was over a barrel for RB's). I told them all late 1st/early 2nd for Conner and all 3 walked away. One guy took a zero at RB rather than trade what will be the 2.1 or 2.2 for Conner.

That's the basis for my opinion that an early 2nd was generous.
PSA - Haggling is NOT the same as negotiating.

From the home office in Grand Rapids, MI, the Top 5 signs you suck as a trade partner (and probably as a human being)

5. You can name or fabricate 5 risks on every player not on your team.
4. You always respond that you don't value another team's players as highly as they do.
3. You steer conversations away from ADP or any other form of consensus or rankings to gauge trade value.
2. Your trade strategy centers around seeing where someone's at on a player or that "it's just a first offer".
1. Your trade offers are rejected without counter or outright ignored.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby jjleurquin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:46 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:36 pm
Mephistopheles wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 pm
This is from a 1-9 team in a 1QB league.

I offered him an early 2nd for Conner which I thought was quite generous.

He countered with

I give J. Jefferson, mid 1st
I get Conner


Yeah, have fun when Conner's value craters after this year.
The counter is absurd but I don't really agree that an early 2nd for Conner is "quite generous". Possible he found it to be a lowball and sent the counter to make a point? Or maybe he's just bad at valuing players idk.
I agree with that. I think Conner should be about a late 1st at this point since he is a starting RB who is healthy and should be valued to a contender, I definitely see a path to Conner losing a lot of value though by next year depending on if the offseason is favorable or not to him. I don't think it's the only outcome though. It's fairly reasonable to think he resigns on a 2 or 3 year deal and keeps the job.
Team 1 12 team PPR SF
QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-WR-TE-F-F-SF

QB-Mahomes, Bridgewater, Dalton
RB-Conner, Hunt, Vaughn, Henderson, Edmonds, Evans, Dillon
WR-Godwin, Gallup, Claypool, Hardman, C. Samuel, Renfrow, Lazard, Washington, Isabella, Mooney, G.Davis, Ford, Cole,
TE-Kittle, Ertz, Reed, Bryant

2021-1,1,3,4,4,4

Team 2 12 team .5PPR SF
QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-WR-TE-F-F-SF

QB-Rodgers, Goff, Darnold
RB-Ekeler, Jones, Montgomery, Conner, Henderson, Breida, Dillon, McKinnon,
WR-Julio, MT, Evans, Green, Shepard, Renfrow, G.Tate, Ford,
TE-Kittle, Hurst, Everett, K.Smith, Akins
2021-1,1,2,4

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby ThunderTung » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:53 pm

jjleurquin wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:46 pm
hoos89 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:36 pm
Mephistopheles wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 pm
This is from a 1-9 team in a 1QB league.

I offered him an early 2nd for Conner which I thought was quite generous.

He countered with

I give J. Jefferson, mid 1st
I get Conner


Yeah, have fun when Conner's value craters after this year.
The counter is absurd but I don't really agree that an early 2nd for Conner is "quite generous". Possible he found it to be a lowball and sent the counter to make a point? Or maybe he's just bad at valuing players idk.
I agree with that. I think Conner should be about a late 1st at this point since he is a starting RB who is healthy and should be valued to a contender, I definitely see a path to Conner losing a lot of value though by next year depending on if the offseason is favorable or not to him. I don't think it's the only outcome though. It's fairly reasonable to think he resigns on a 2 or 3 year deal and keeps the job.
I think it depends on league size tbh, and 8 or 10 team league I can see a 2nd being pretty fair value
12 man IDP 0.5 ppr
Picks(2021):1.01,1.04,2.01,2.05,2.07
QB(1): Hurts
RB(2): Sanders/Harris
WR(2): Edelman/Lamb
TE(1): Goedert
FLEX(2): Hardman/Kirk
K: Jake Elliot
DL(2): Ngakoue/Hicks
LB(2): Hicks/J. Smith
DB(2) Devin McCourty/Mathieu
FLEX: Murray

Bench:
QB: Mayfield/Foles
RB: Barber/JJ Taylor/Burkhead/Ollison
WR: S. Miller/Sims/Campbell/Robinson/ KJ Hill/Meyers
TE: Gronk/Sternberger/Asiasi/Keene
DL: Dex. Lawrence/Allen
LB: Chubb/Barrett/Whitehead/Bentley/Vigil/Jones
DB: Gilmore/Sorenson

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Mephistopheles » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:59 pm

jjleurquin wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:46 pm
hoos89 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:36 pm
Mephistopheles wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 pm
This is from a 1-9 team in a 1QB league.

I offered him an early 2nd for Conner which I thought was quite generous.

He countered with

I give J. Jefferson, mid 1st
I get Conner


Yeah, have fun when Conner's value craters after this year.
The counter is absurd but I don't really agree that an early 2nd for Conner is "quite generous". Possible he found it to be a lowball and sent the counter to make a point? Or maybe he's just bad at valuing players idk.
I agree with that. I think Conner should be about a late 1st at this point since he is a starting RB who is healthy and should be valued to a contender, I definitely see a path to Conner losing a lot of value though by next year depending on if the offseason is favorable or not to him. I don't think it's the only outcome though. It's fairly reasonable to think he resigns on a 2 or 3 year deal and keeps the job.
The pick I offered him will literally be the 2.1. It's an 0-10 team, the only team he won against this year.
Didn't matter, I won anyway and I get Mixon, Montgomery and Gurley back, and Salvon Ahmed panned out. Don't need Conner anymore :-) He actually contacted me about doing the deal again for the 2nd today and I told him no thanks.
Last edited by Mephistopheles on Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
PSA - Haggling is NOT the same as negotiating.

From the home office in Grand Rapids, MI, the Top 5 signs you suck as a trade partner (and probably as a human being)

5. You can name or fabricate 5 risks on every player not on your team.
4. You always respond that you don't value another team's players as highly as they do.
3. You steer conversations away from ADP or any other form of consensus or rankings to gauge trade value.
2. Your trade strategy centers around seeing where someone's at on a player or that "it's just a first offer".
1. Your trade offers are rejected without counter or outright ignored.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Mephistopheles » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:03 pm

ThunderTung wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:53 pm
jjleurquin wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:46 pm
hoos89 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:36 pm


The counter is absurd but I don't really agree that an early 2nd for Conner is "quite generous". Possible he found it to be a lowball and sent the counter to make a point? Or maybe he's just bad at valuing players idk.
I agree with that. I think Conner should be about a late 1st at this point since he is a starting RB who is healthy and should be valued to a contender, I definitely see a path to Conner losing a lot of value though by next year depending on if the offseason is favorable or not to him. I don't think it's the only outcome though. It's fairly reasonable to think he resigns on a 2 or 3 year deal and keeps the job.
I think it depends on league size tbh, and 8 or 10 team league I can see a 2nd being pretty fair value
12 teamer, will be the 13th overall pick, projects to be Terrace Marshall, Kenneth Gainwell, maybe Tylan Wallace. I'd much rather have those guys over Conner for 2021 and beyond.
PSA - Haggling is NOT the same as negotiating.

From the home office in Grand Rapids, MI, the Top 5 signs you suck as a trade partner (and probably as a human being)

5. You can name or fabricate 5 risks on every player not on your team.
4. You always respond that you don't value another team's players as highly as they do.
3. You steer conversations away from ADP or any other form of consensus or rankings to gauge trade value.
2. Your trade strategy centers around seeing where someone's at on a player or that "it's just a first offer".
1. Your trade offers are rejected without counter or outright ignored.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby burntfire » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:42 pm

Give: DK, Darnold, and Fulgham

Get: Julio Jones, Tom Brady
14 Team Super Flex, 1 PPR
QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SFlex, 3 IR

QB: Matt Ryan, Sam Darnold, Mitchell Trubisky, Jake Luton
WR: Chris Godwin, A.J Brown, D.K. Metcalf, Jerry Jeudy, Will Fuller, Jalen Reagor, Allen Lazard, Travis Fulgham
RB: Kareem Hunt, Josh Jacobs, Ronald Jones, Marlon Mack, Joshua Kelley, Boston Scott, Deejay Dallas
TE: Robert Tonyan, Dissley, David Njoku, Jace Sternberger, Drew Sample, Gerald Everett

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby airforceones25 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:40 pm

Give: Christian McCaffrey

Get: Bobby Wagner, Rashaan Evans


This is not a joke... this might be the worst offer I’ve ever seen. My god.


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