2020 BAD Trade Offers

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Cowboysfan33 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:42 pm

Mjvb5 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:39 pm
Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:25 pm
Cowboysfan33 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:18 pm
12 team PPR 1QB league

I give: K.Allen, C.Akers, J.Crowder

I receive: K.Drake, Big Ben, Scotty Miller, 2021 2nd

This was totally unsolicited but I lost Dak on this particular team and I’m sure that’s why he offered Big Ben, thinking I might be worried and make a crazy trade. I have Goff as my backup and picked up Dalton on waivers and I’m ok riding them the rest of the season and that offer wasn’t even close to anything I would accept anyway.
I thought this wasn't that bad either until I remembered Keenan Allen exists :lol:
Lolol I read it as kyle allen the first time and was like ya know not the worst. Went over it again and was like wow that's bad

Yeah guys, I didn’t even think of that when I posted it, ha ha, definitely wouldn’t be bad if it was Kyle Allen.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby TheNuts » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:54 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Buddy of mine just showed me an offer he just got I had to share

12 team SF/2TE PPR

Give: Watson/Fant/Chase Edmonds

Receive: CEH/Jimmy G/Nick Mullens

This was right after Bell signed with KC too. Personally I don't think the Bell signing changes much for CEH's value, but this was a terrible offer even at CEH's absolute peak value.
Not a bad starting offer.
12 team ppr 4 point pass td

Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots

14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%

Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle

12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr

Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample

20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard

Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:58 am

TheNuts wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:54 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Buddy of mine just showed me an offer he just got I had to share

12 team SF/2TE PPR

Give: Watson/Fant/Chase Edmonds

Receive: CEH/Jimmy G/Nick Mullens

This was right after Bell signed with KC too. Personally I don't think the Bell signing changes much for CEH's value, but this was a terrible offer even at CEH's absolute peak value.
Not a bad starting offer.
I might agree if it wasn't 2TE. I don't play in that format but I imagine Fant is quite valuable in it.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2020 Runner-up
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Taylor, Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, D. Harris, McKinnon, Ahmed, Guice, Michel
AJB, Aiyuk, DJM, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon
Andrews, Eifert, Herndon
IR(3): Sutton, Gaskin, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1.02, 1.05, 1.11, 3.02, 3.11, 4.11, 5.11

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater, Eason
Barkley, CEH, Ito, J. Jackson, Bowden, Homer, Love, Guice
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, T. Higgins, Jeudy, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Foster, Hansen, Harmon, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Pettis
Hooper, Eifert, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1.04, 1.07, 1.08, 1.11, 2.03, 2.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09, 3.11, 4.04

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:00 am

hoos89 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:58 am
TheNuts wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:54 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Buddy of mine just showed me an offer he just got I had to share

12 team SF/2TE PPR

Give: Watson/Fant/Chase Edmonds

Receive: CEH/Jimmy G/Nick Mullens

This was right after Bell signed with KC too. Personally I don't think the Bell signing changes much for CEH's value, but this was a terrible offer even at CEH's absolute peak value.
Not a bad starting offer.
I might agree if it wasn't 2TE. I don't play in that format but I imagine Fant is quite valuable in it.
Yup, all the the "it's not that bad" comments are severely undervaluing Fant in 2TE.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:00 am
hoos89 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:58 am
TheNuts wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:54 pm


Not a bad starting offer.
I might agree if it wasn't 2TE. I don't play in that format but I imagine Fant is quite valuable in it.
Yup, all the the "it's not that bad" comments are severely undervaluing Fant in 2TE.
Oh look, it’s “Guy In Your League Who Sends You a Bad Offer and Defensively Calls it a ‘Starting Offer’ as Though It’s Somehow Different”
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby TheNuts » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 am

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:00 am
hoos89 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:58 am


I might agree if it wasn't 2TE. I don't play in that format but I imagine Fant is quite valuable in it.
Yup, all the the "it's not that bad" comments are severely undervaluing Fant in 2TE.
Oh look, it’s “Guy In Your League Who Sends You a Bad Offer and Defensively Calls it a ‘Starting Offer’ as Though It’s Somehow Different”
We can do without your clownish responses. People value players very differently. I do not like Miles Sanders anywhere near how much most people do, so I wouldn't pay whatever the going rate is. Stop being the Everyone must value all players exactly equal and the first offer must be an exact value exchange so that no ones delicate feelings are hurt guy.
12 team ppr 4 point pass td

Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots

14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%

Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle

12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr

Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample

20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard

Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby jomaed » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:16 am

TheNuts wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:00 am


Yup, all the the "it's not that bad" comments are severely undervaluing Fant in 2TE.
Oh look, it’s “Guy In Your League Who Sends You a Bad Offer and Defensively Calls it a ‘Starting Offer’ as Though It’s Somehow Different”
We can do without your clownish responses. People value players very differently. I do not like Miles Sanders anywhere near how much most people do, so I wouldn't pay whatever the going rate is. Stop being the Everyone must value all players exactly equal and the first offer must be an exact value exchange so that no ones delicate feelings are hurt guy.
Clyde's ADP was/is ahead of Watsons. Can't image Jimmy G not being worth just as much or more than Fant. Seems pretty fair to me.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:18 am

TheNuts wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:00 am


Yup, all the the "it's not that bad" comments are severely undervaluing Fant in 2TE.
Oh look, it’s “Guy In Your League Who Sends You a Bad Offer and Defensively Calls it a ‘Starting Offer’ as Though It’s Somehow Different”
We can do without your clownish responses. People value players very differently. I do not like Miles Sanders anywhere near how much most people do, so I wouldn't pay whatever the going rate is. Stop being the Everyone must value all players exactly equal and the first offer must be an exact value exchange so that no ones delicate feelings are hurt guy.
Well that seems like a commensurate response. :shock: I really enjoy the people who immediately react to any disagreement with an ad hominem calling people "delicate" as though this is an early 2000s gaming forum.

At no point did I suggest that "everyone must value all players exactly equal[sic]". There's absolutely nothing wrong with sending somebody a bad offer- sometimes bad offers get accepted! I just think that it's a childishly defensive thing to pretend like your bad offers are not bad offers because they're "starting offers." It's a meaningless distinction that helps nobody; it only serves to create an artificial distinction between yourself, sender of lopsided starting offers, and those nefarious few who send Bad Offers. You seem upset that I've pointed it out, but most of us already know this to be the case because we have one or two of you in our leagues.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:06 am

jomaed wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:16 am
TheNuts wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 am


Oh look, it’s “Guy In Your League Who Sends You a Bad Offer and Defensively Calls it a ‘Starting Offer’ as Though It’s Somehow Different”
We can do without your clownish responses. People value players very differently. I do not like Miles Sanders anywhere near how much most people do, so I wouldn't pay whatever the going rate is. Stop being the Everyone must value all players exactly equal and the first offer must be an exact value exchange so that no ones delicate feelings are hurt guy.
Clyde's ADP was/is ahead of Watsons. Can't image Jimmy G not being worth just as much or more than Fant. Seems pretty fair to me.
Fant should be worth substantially more than Jimmy G in 2TE SF.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2020 Runner-up
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Taylor, Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, D. Harris, McKinnon, Ahmed, Guice, Michel
AJB, Aiyuk, DJM, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon
Andrews, Eifert, Herndon
IR(3): Sutton, Gaskin, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1.02, 1.05, 1.11, 3.02, 3.11, 4.11, 5.11

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater, Eason
Barkley, CEH, Ito, J. Jackson, Bowden, Homer, Love, Guice
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, T. Higgins, Jeudy, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Foster, Hansen, Harmon, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Pettis
Hooper, Eifert, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1.04, 1.07, 1.08, 1.11, 2.03, 2.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09, 3.11, 4.04

Team 1: 2012-2016
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:09 am

hoos89 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:06 am
Fant is worth substantially more than Jimmy G in 2TE SF.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:17 am

In my view this trade would still be somewhat short in regular SF. It would be an okay-ish open...not offensive, maybe in range of a counter. But given that the offer is short in 1TE, adding 2TE value to Fant, who is generally valued around TE5 in dynasty, makes this a massively unbalanced offer.
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2020 Runner-up
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Taylor, Jacobs, Ekeler, Conner, D. Harris, McKinnon, Ahmed, Guice, Michel
AJB, Aiyuk, DJM, Claypool, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon
Andrews, Eifert, Herndon
IR(3): Sutton, Gaskin, Love
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1.02, 1.05, 1.11, 3.02, 3.11, 4.11, 5.11

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater, Eason
Barkley, CEH, Ito, J. Jackson, Bowden, Homer, Love, Guice
J. Jefferson, McLaurin, T. Higgins, Jeudy, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Foster, Hansen, Harmon, C. Johnson, T. Johnson, Pettis
Hooper, Eifert, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1.04, 1.07, 1.08, 1.11, 2.03, 2.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09, 3.11, 4.04

Team 1: 2012-2016
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby treble83 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:27 pm

I guess I'm the... "I've never played in a SF/TE Premium/2 Copy/21 Team/.5 IDP/DB Premium league so I guess I'm not qualified to answe guy."
Washington Sentinels
12 Teams ~ 34 Man Rosters (IDP)
1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 2FLEX (RB/WR), 1TE, 1PK, 2DL, 2DB, 2LB. PPR/NON-IDP/FLEX
QB: J. Allen; M. Stafford; G. Minshew; M. Trubisky
RB: C. Carson; M. Brown; T. Cohen; J. White; D. Booker
WR: K. Golladay; T. Lockett; C. Kupp; S. Shepard; M. Jones; R. Gage; W. Snead
TE: Z. Ertz; E. Ebron; L. Thomas
PK: J. Tucker; W. Lutz
DL: M. Ioannidis; G. Jarrett; J. Casey; M. Crosby
LB: K. Mack; B. Martinez; J. Schobert; S. Barrett; N. Gerry
DB: J. Abram; B. Baker; E. Jackson; D. Thompson
Rowdy Raccoons
10 TEAMS ~ 21 Man Rosters + 4 TAXI (ROOKIES)
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX (W/R/T), 1 FLEX (W/R), 1 PK
QB: R. Wilson; D. Jones, B. Roethlisberger; D. Carr
RB: E. Elliott; D. Cook; C. Carson; M. Mack; A. Mattison; T. Pollard; R. Penny
WR: J. Smith-Schuster; C. Lamb; D. Adams; D. Parker; C. Beasley, C. Davis; K. Cole; D. Mooney
TE: J. Smith; T. Burton; G. Olsen
PK: Tucker; Butker

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:39 pm

treble83 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:27 pm
I guess I'm the... "I've never played in a SF/TE Premium/2 Copy/21 Team/.5 IDP/DB Premium league so I guess I'm not qualified to answe guy."
:lol: :clap:
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:36 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:39 pm
treble83 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:27 pm
I guess I'm the... "I've never played in a SF/TE Premium/2 Copy/21 Team/.5 IDP/DB Premium league so I guess I'm not qualified to answe guy."
:lol: :clap:
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2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - [b]14 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, Baker, D. Jones, Eason
RB: JT, Mostert, Gaskin, Dillon, Gus, Mattison, McFarland, Snell, Wilson, McKissic, Darrel
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Mims, Hardman, Preston, Parris
TE: Andrews, Fant, Henry
2021: 1.10, 2, 3, 4, 5.08, 5.10, 6, 7, 9, 10

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - [b]20 Keepers[/b]
QB: [b]Mahomes, Ryan,[/b] Minshew, Trubisky, Mariota
RB: [b]Saquon, Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt,[/b] Penny, Snell
WR: [b]AJB, DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, C. Davis, C. Samuel,[/b] G. Davis, Mooney, Lazard, J. Washington
TE: [b]Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Tonyan,[/b] Irv
2021: 1.03, 2.05, 2.09, 3.05, 3.09
2022: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby mzkp54 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:34 pm

Bell for ‘21 1st/‘22 1st

‘21 first is an 0-5 teams.
12 tm. PPR, SF, TE Prem, Full IDP. Contracts

Team 1:
QB- Wilson, Wentz
RB- JT, CEH, Mattison, Kelly, DLewis, Jackson, Dallas, Ito Smith,
WR- OBJ, Golladay, Parker, Woods , Gage, Cole, Lazard, Cephus, AB, AGG, Ward
TE- Kittle, Schultz,
PK/CB-
DT- Hankins
DE- Sweat, ASmith, CJordan, Tuitt Lawson
LB- Queen, SThompson, Goodson, Walker Hitchens
S- Poyer, Sorenson,

Team 2:
QB- Dak, Minshew, Haskins, Walker
RB- , Barkley
WR- MT, Evans, Golladay, Juju Crowder,, Hardman Ward,
TE- Andrews Rodgers, Doyle
PK/CB-
DT- Wilkins, Joseph, Kinlaw
DE- Sweat, Ingram, Griffen
LB- , Kiser,Pratt
S- Rapp, Neal, Edmonds Amos
3 ‘21 1st, 3 ‘22 1st

Team 3:
12 team SF 0.5 PPR TE Prem
QB- Watson, Mayfield,
RB- Zeke, Cook, JRob, Mostert, Mattison, Pollard
WR- Adams, DJ Moore, Allen, DJohnson, Edelman, Gage, Byrd, Beasley,
TE- Hooper, LThomas, Knox,


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