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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:42 am

abloom wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:14 am
Just received this one for team #2 in signature (12 team SF)

I get: M Ingram, M Andrews, G Tate
I send: S Michel, C Sutton, 2020 1.03

yea.... certainly looks like a great deal... for him...
Not an offer I would accept, but hardly one to be insulted over in a TE Premium league.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby abloom » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:59 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:42 am
abloom wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:14 am
Just received this one for team #2 in signature (12 team SF)

I get: M Ingram, M Andrews, G Tate
I send: S Michel, C Sutton, 2020 1.03

yea.... certainly looks like a great deal... for him...
Not an offer I would accept, but hardly one to be insulted over in a TE Premium league.
I wouldn't say it was insulting. I just thought it was bad. The extra 0.5 ppr that tes receive isnt really enough to make them significantly valuable
Dynasty Team #1:
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill,Hill
R: CMC,Taylor,Robinson,Fournette
W: Evans,Edelman,Cobb,Davis,Mooney,Lazard
T: Goedert(IR),Henry
D: NE,BAL
K: Bullock

2021 Picks: 1.02,2.05,4.02,5.02,6.02,7.02
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Dynasty Team #2: 2020 Champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson, Murray, Cousins, Trubisky, Smith, Dalton
R: Cook, Dobbins, Swift, Monty, Mattison
W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, K Allen, Edwards, AB, Sutton(IR)
T: Kelce
K: Tucker
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1.05,1.12,4.06,4.12,5.12,6.12,7.07
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DLF advice forum league:
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Mullens, Love, Flacco, Hoyer, Rypien, Bethard
R: Michel, Moss, Hyde, Bernard, Richard, Darrel Williams, Damien Williams, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, D Moore
T: Schultz, Doyle, Asiasi, Thomas

2021 Picks: 1.04,1.11,1.12,2.04,3.04,4.04,4.06,4.10

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:04 am

Overall no it doesn't improve TEs as a whole, but it does significantly boost the elite TEs, which Andrews is.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby inaykipr » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:28 am

I was offered the 2020 1.07 for Patrick Mahomes. It is a 1 QB league, but still, it’s not going to happen.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby murphysxm » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:06 pm

inaykipr wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:28 am
I was offered the 2020 1.07 for Patrick Mahomes. It is a 1 QB league, but still, it’s not going to happen.
This is an absolute fair offer. Yes Mahomes is dynastty gold, but QB is so deep and easy to reload. They fact that I wouldn't take Burrow at 1.07 tells the story

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Mjvb5 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:25 am

murphysxm wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:06 pm
inaykipr wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:28 am
I was offered the 2020 1.07 for Patrick Mahomes. It is a 1 QB league, but still, it’s not going to happen.
This is an absolute fair offer. Yes Mahomes is dynastty gold, but QB is so deep and easy to reload. They fact that I wouldn't take Burrow at 1.07 tells the story
X2 this isn’t something I’d take for Mahomes but it’s not off enough to wind up here

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby Mephistopheles » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:26 am

Username wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:16 pm
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:23 am
Does this bother you guys that much? I mean I’ll take a “bad offer” any day over the owner that never sends anything and relies on you to make the offers. Think of them less as “bad offers” and more as “conversation starters”. Getting upset or insulted by someone actually taking time to send something over is being pretty thin skinned. Just get over them “feelings” or emotions or whatever it is, and try to find a deal that does work. Or clam up, get pissed, and miss out on a possible trade. That’s an option too I guess.
This!
Yeah, no, not "this" at all. So many misconceptions and mischaracterizations here I don't know where to begin.
First, no one is "upset or insulted" or "thin skinned" over these trades. We're sharing them for a good laugh.
Second, 99% of these are "conversation enders". Take my 2.9 for JJ and Lindsay for example. I'm not moving those players for less than 3 1st round picks or equivalent. Guy has communicated through an offer that he doesn't want to pay that. Conversation's over. I'm not insulted by the offer (I'm a bit insulted by the fact he accused me of fabricating an NFL.com web page showing Julio's stats but that's another story), I'm just not going to argue with him. I have the leverage, he wants my player, he pays my price.
Goes back to what I say repeatedly, you want to start a "conversation", make it worth the other party's while. The thing about "bad offers" is this...either the other party truly values the assets involved based on his offer - in which case, there won't be an agreement - or he's being disingenuous, in which case he's a bad trade partner. Either way, it's just not happening. Most of us are recognizing that and just walking away to do something more important - like post in this thread and wash our cars in a blizzard or something.
Maybe you two can start a "cool story, bro" thread enlightening all of us of lower intelligence about how you negotiated from an offer of a 2nd round pick for DeAndre Hopkins (which I have in my inbox today, BTW) to getting 4 1sts for him.
PSA - Haggling is NOT the same as negotiating.

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5. You can name or fabricate 5 risks on every player not on your team.
4. You always respond that you don't value another team's players as highly as they do.
3. You steer conversations away from ADP or any other form of consensus or rankings to gauge trade value.
2. Your trade strategy centers around seeing where someone's at on a player or that "it's just a first offer".
1. Your trade offers are rejected without counter or outright ignored.
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby ArrylT » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:33 am

Mephistopheles wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:26 am
Username wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:16 pm
sugbear65 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:23 am
Does this bother you guys that much? I mean I’ll take a “bad offer” any day over the owner that never sends anything and relies on you to make the offers. Think of them less as “bad offers” and more as “conversation starters”. Getting upset or insulted by someone actually taking time to send something over is being pretty thin skinned. Just get over them “feelings” or emotions or whatever it is, and try to find a deal that does work. Or clam up, get pissed, and miss out on a possible trade. That’s an option too I guess.
This!
Yeah, no, not "this" at all. So many misconceptions and mischaracterizations here I don't know where to begin.
First, no one is "upset or insulted" or "thin skinned" over these trades. We're sharing them for a good laugh.
Second, 99% of these are "conversation enders". Take my 2.9 for JJ and Lindsay for example. I'm not moving those players for less than 3 1st round picks or equivalent. Guy has communicated through an offer that he doesn't want to pay that. Conversation's over. I'm not insulted by the offer (I'm a bit insulted by the fact he accused me of fabricating an NFL.com web page showing Julio's stats but that's another story), I'm just not going to argue with him. I have the leverage, he wants my player, he pays my price.
Goes back to what I say repeatedly, you want to start a "conversation", make it worth the other party's while. The thing about "bad offers" is this...either the other party truly values the assets involved based on his offer - in which case, there won't be an agreement - or he's being disingenuous, in which case he's a bad trade partner. Either way, it's just not happening. Most of us are recognizing that and just walking away to do something more important - like post in this thread and wash our cars in a blizzard or something.
Maybe you two can start a "cool story, bro" thread enlightening all of us of lower intelligence about how you negotiated from an offer of a 2nd round pick for DeAndre Hopkins (which I have in my inbox today, BTW) to getting 4 1sts for him.
Well said sir.

A lot of these bad offers are likely not that the other owner is awful at making valuations, but that they could be employing a strategy where they are controlling the price by setting the initial bid very low. Which in turns suggests they are only interested if they can buy that player well below consensus value.

It is not up to the owner getting the terrible offer to have to negotiate on the terms set by the buyer, especially if it is a valuable player they have little interest in moving. As a Hopkins owner I am much more likely to engage if you offer up Keenan Allen or Stefon Diggs, than if you offer up Robby Anderson & a 3rd.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby sugbear65 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:25 pm

Mephistopheles wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:26 am
Username wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:16 pm
sugbear65 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:23 am
Does this bother you guys that much? I mean I’ll take a “bad offer” any day over the owner that never sends anything and relies on you to make the offers. Think of them less as “bad offers” and more as “conversation starters”. Getting upset or insulted by someone actually taking time to send something over is being pretty thin skinned. Just get over them “feelings” or emotions or whatever it is, and try to find a deal that does work. Or clam up, get pissed, and miss out on a possible trade. That’s an option too I guess.
This!
Yeah, no, not "this" at all. So many misconceptions and mischaracterizations here I don't know where to begin.
First, no one is "upset or insulted" or "thin skinned" over these trades. We're sharing them for a good laugh.
Second, 99% of these are "conversation enders". Take my 2.9 for JJ and Lindsay for example. I'm not moving those players for less than 3 1st round picks or equivalent. Guy has communicated through an offer that he doesn't want to pay that. Conversation's over. I'm not insulted by the offer (I'm a bit insulted by the fact he accused me of fabricating an NFL.com web page showing Julio's stats but that's another story), I'm just not going to argue with him. I have the leverage, he wants my player, he pays my price.
Goes back to what I say repeatedly, you want to start a "conversation", make it worth the other party's while. The thing about "bad offers" is this...either the other party truly values the assets involved based on his offer - in which case, there won't be an agreement - or he's being disingenuous, in which case he's a bad trade partner. Either way, it's just not happening. Most of us are recognizing that and just walking away to do something more important - like post in this thread and wash our cars in a blizzard or something.
Maybe you two can start a "cool story, bro" thread enlightening all of us of lower intelligence about how you negotiated from an offer of a 2nd round pick for DeAndre Hopkins (which I have in my inbox today, BTW) to getting 4 1sts for him.
The point is if another owner has a value that is way off base from you, maybe you could explore that. What other players is he lower on than you, or higher? You may find you stumble into an area you wouldn’t have even thought to look, and find a nice alignment where your value and theirs is way different, but in a positive way. And you can find a deal you like.
Or you can be negative, come from the door with a bad attitude, and shut down the process. If you don’t want to “waste time” talking trade that’s fine. But yes you can sometimes turn an offer you don’t like into whole other offer you do like, just by keeping the communication going. That’s how 95% of trades happen, for me at least. Very rarely is a deal taken, or do I receive one I take, on the first offer.
I’m kinda thinking from your sig we are not going to agree on this whole trade process dealy to begin with though

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby Pac_Eddy » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:25 am

ArrylT wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:33 am
As a Hopkins owner I am much more likely to engage if you offer up Keenan Allen or Stefon Diggs, than if you offer up Robby Anderson & a 3rd.
I think this is the biggest issue. Opening offers need to be in the ballpark. We're all trying to pay the bare minimum that we have to, but don't start stupidly low.

On rare occasions, I'll ask someone if they're sick of some player and open to selling him real cheap, but that's only when I have other information saying that's a possibility.

When I receive an very low ball offer that I'd consider posting on this thread, I reply to the offering owner that he's waaay too low and the conversation is over unless he makes a real offer. Try not to take offense to low balls, just brush them off and move on.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby HEADBANGER » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:07 pm

Wentz, Sternberger, 2021 2nd for my Lamar & 3.03. Not even going to reply to that one.
FFPC Team 1 2017 1st, 2018 5th, 2019 1st, 2020 3rd
QB Prescott, Brady
RB Cook, Gordon, White, Harris
WR Hopkins, Julio, Godwin, Woods, Cooks, Shenault, AB
TE Engram, Goedert
2021 2.3, 3.3, 4.8 2021 intact


FFPC Team 2 2019 rebuild orphan
QB Jackson
RB Taylor, Wilson, J Williams
WR Diggs, Jeudy, Cooks, Gallup, Campbell, Pres Williams,
TE Fant, Goedert. Harrison,
2021 1.01, 1.04, 1.10, 2.1, 2.6, 2.7 2021 intact


FFPC Team 3 SF Start up 2020 (2022 to contend
QB Tua, Lock, Mr, Biscuit, Foles
RB Swift, Hunt
WR Jefferson, Ridley, DJ Moore, Pittman, Edwards
TE Engram, Fant
2021 1.1, 1.2, 1.6, 2.4, 2.6, 2.12 2021 intact

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:18 pm

HEADBANGER wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:07 pm
Wentz, Sternberger, 2021 2nd for my Lamar & 3.03. Not even going to reply to that one.
Yeah, its not good. But honestly, I don't think Wentz is that far off Lamar in Dynasty. However, based on what the scoring was last year, even in 1 QB, it's a low ball. It's basically Lamar for Wentz straight up. In real football terms, I wouldn't bat an eye, but in Fantasy, not a chance.

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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers

Postby Mephistopheles » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:07 am

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:25 am
ArrylT wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:33 am
As a Hopkins owner I am much more likely to engage if you offer up Keenan Allen or Stefon Diggs, than if you offer up Robby Anderson & a 3rd.
I think this is the biggest issue. Opening offers need to be in the ballpark. We're all trying to pay the bare minimum that we have to, but don't start stupidly low.

On rare occasions, I'll ask someone if they're sick of some player and open to selling him real cheap, but that's only when I have other information saying that's a possibility.

When I receive an very low ball offer that I'd consider posting on this thread, I reply to the offering owner that he's waaay too low and the conversation is over unless he makes a real offer. Try not to take offense to low balls, just brush them off and move on.
I think the bolded above is spot on. "Stupidly low" is a perfect term.
What's odd about Sugbear's response is that, in my experience both first-hand and in talking with friends who are DFF owners, the ones who get angry or pissed off about those bad offers are generally the ones who initially send the offers and get them rejected or ignored, not the ones on the receiving end. If I have a reaction, it's generally indifference if anything. But I guess people can rationalize anything they want.
When I receive an offer like that, I just either reject or let it expire (depends on the league, some commishes get really pissed off about letting trades expire). If I think it's worth enough of a laugh, I'll post it here (mostly for the sales pitches).
PSA - Haggling is NOT the same as negotiating.

From the home office in Grand Rapids, MI, the Top 5 signs you suck as a trade partner (and probably as a human being)

5. You can name or fabricate 5 risks on every player not on your team.
4. You always respond that you don't value another team's players as highly as they do.
3. You steer conversations away from ADP or any other form of consensus or rankings to gauge trade value.
2. Your trade strategy centers around seeing where someone's at on a player or that "it's just a first offer".
1. Your trade offers are rejected without counter or outright ignored.
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby CGW » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:35 pm

Just put up the 1.03 on the block asking for offers involving a QB or RB. Got these 4 offers almost immediately.

1. Give: 1.03, Mike Evans
Get: 1.01
2. Give: 1.03
Get: Foles
3. Give: 1.03, Golladay
Get: Bridgewater
4. Give: 1.03, Mike Evans
Get: Daniel Jones

Our player values don't seem to align.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Cousins, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco
RB | Taylor, Gaskin, Singletary, Wilkins, Ahmed, Wilson
WR | Adams, Evans, Golladay, D. Johnson, Miller, G. Davis, Mooney, Pascal, Coutee
TE | Andrews, Alie-Cox, Rodgers, Herndon

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Tagovailoa, Minshew
RB | Montgomery, Swift, Dobbins, R. Jones, Singletary, Vaughn
WR | Godwin, AJ Brown, Lamb, D. Johnson, Aiyuk, M. Brown, Slayton, Mooney, Kirk, Reynolds, Fulgham, Peoples-Jones, Perriman
TE | Andrews, Henry, Sample, Schultz

12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Wilson, Darnold, Trubisky, Glennon, Stidham
RB | Hines, Henderson, Wilkins, Penny, Ahmed, Guice
WR | Evans, Ridley, Golladay, Kupp, D. Johnson, Pittman, Fulgham, Mooney, Ward, T. Smith
TE | L. Thomas, Ertz, Herndon, Sternberger

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby fantasyhermit » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:04 pm

This was for team 2 in my sig. 2te SF league.

Give: Zeke, Michael Thomas
Get: Ertz, Jordan Scarlet, 2020 1.13, 2020 4.13, 2021 2nd.

Same dude also sent this after that was rejected:

Give: Mahomes
Get: Cousins, Jordan Scarlett, 2020 1.13, '21 1st

and, oddly enough as I was typing this the dude just rage quit the league because he got confused by someone cutting some players and thought we were drafting today...the rookies haven't even been added to the site we use yet ffs... :wall: :roll:
Team 1:
12 team SF PPR/2PPR TE Prem, .2 ppc
Q-SF-R-W-F-F-F-F-T-T
QB: Wilson, Cousins, Fitz, Flacco, Lock
RB: Jacobs, CEH, DJ, Dillon, Michel, Royce, Lewis, Bruce Anderson, Gus, Warren
WR: MT, Amari, Kupp, Pittman, Miller, Agholor, John Brown, Enunwa, Foster, Wilson, Preston Williams, AB
TE: Kelce, Kittle, Tonyan, Davis, Dissly, Knox, T.Moss


Team 2:
Q-SF-R-R-W-W-F-F-T-T-D-K-IDP-IDP PPR
QB: Mahomes, Darnold, Bridgewater
RB: Zeke, Kamara, Swift, Singletary, Mack, Penny, Armstead, Josh Kelly
WR: MT, DJ Moore, Slayton, Tyler Boyd, Mims, Edwards, Van Jefferson, Miller, Mike Williams, Foster, Westbrook, Preston Williams
TE: Gesicki, Hooper, Sternberger, Knox, Oliver, Moreau
Def: Chi
K: Elliot
IDP: Bosa, LVE, Flowers


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