It's helpful that generally people just tend to reveal themselves to be this way, and you can just move them off your trade agenda for when you want to make moves. It's just such a waste of time for some of us anyway.Mephistopheles wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:54 amI take the same approach. If somebody wants to acquire a player from me , I'll send them a quote that I think is fair, I don't try to gouge anybody. A lot of times I'll even double check the DLF trade analyzer to see if my valuation is far off and change it if it is. Sometimes if I want to offload a player or acquire a particular player, I'll take the low side from the trade analyzer. I don't have the time or desire to haggle over the price from a starting point like that one. I'd rather just hold on to the players (and I think that a lot of DFF owners conveniently ignore that that is a real option).stoneghost28 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:02 pm[
I'd rather just send what I think is reasonable value based on market value stuff like the current ADP stuff, the analyzer etc and just get it done. I don't mind even losing a trade on current market value if I believe my valuation long term is more accurate. I sent a whole ton of "Im gonna lose this trade right now" Sony Michel offers starting in the early winter of 2018-2019 because I realized that I was just dead wrong in my eval six months earlier (I had the backs ranked 1. Barkley 2. Guice 3 Chubb 4 Michel 5 Penny 6 Kerryon) and needed to shed all my shares (think I got him on like 4 of my 9 dynasty teams at that time, and on a keeper team, ended up trading for him as well in a package that actually helped me win a title). I sent him packing successfully in five of the 6 leagues, and I think calculators said I lost pretty much all the trades at the time, but I felt I was getting out before the roof caved in on his value, so I was willing to add sweetners (Evan Engram in one trade for instance). A year later, and it looks like I won all of those trades (to be fair, a year earlier I panic traded McCaffrey off of all my teams. What's gone down as the worst trades I've ever made in 21 years of playing fantasy w/1 exception, otoh, at least I got value w/those picks (generally speaking I used the picks I got in those packages for Chubb (as they were usually in that 1.03-1.04 zone and Chubb was almost always available).
Most DFF owners these days think it's just a starting point, they want to battle to get the price down, and they don't have the skill to recognize a good price on a player. I see it a lot in my businesses when clients/customers get a quote or a price, they have no idea whether it's fair or not - they don't even know what they're trying to "negotiate" down to, just as long as it's less than the original quote - and just start haggling to get it down with no basis for haggling other than it's a first quote or first offer. Then they're stunned when we withdraw our initial quote and just decline to bid.
I have a guy in one of my leagues (R. Freeman owner) who asked after Phillip Lindsay back in August (5 months ago). His first offer was a 2021 3rd round pick. I quoted him either Ekeler (I have Gordon) or a 2020 late 1st. Even offered to condition the 2020 pick (drop it to an early 2nd) if it was top 4. He has pestered me every week since then ( I stopped responding to him in September - my last message was "You know the price to get Lindsay. I'm not rehashing this again.") but his latest offer was Kaden Smith and a late 2020 4th.
Life is too short and this hobby just isn't that lucrative for most of us to dick around with bleep like this.
I get that some people get a rise out of that kind of trade brinksmanship, really enjoy the back and forth, like the stereotype of the mideastern bazaar where you can get a better deal if you give the owner of the store/shop more fun in back and forth than if you just want to buy it and be done with it. I'm just not that kind of person. I don't enjoy it (probably because I'm an anxious person), it's just a stressor and I find it annoying and frustrating, especially if someone's using the classic, "start w/the epic, stupid low ball offer and go from there", which generally leads to me just closing off communication and going nowhere from there. It feels like an insult, even if it isn't one, and is just their preferred way of trading.
On Lindsay, I dealt him last offseason, just nervous that a coaching staff isn't enamored with his size, and he's suddenly out of a gig, didn't think I could get a 1st in that particular league (10 team super flex/2TE deep dynasty (30 roster spots)), so I sent him and a '21 3rd, for 5.2 (used on Kahale Warring), '20 3rd (ended up being 3.04, I flipped that and Corey Davis for Diontae Johnson and a 4th at the deadline), and a '21 2nd.
We'll see how it turns out, at this point the return is so crazy convoluted it would take a while to parse out.