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2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby HEADBANGER » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:40 am

Got one already so I will start the 2020 bad trade offer thread.

My Dalvin Cook RB

His WR Diontae Johnson, TE Jace Sternberger, 2020 2.06, 2020 2.12, 2021 2nd.
FFPC Team 1 2016 11th, 2017 1st, 2018 5th, 2019 1st
QB Prescott, Rodgers
RB Gordon, White, Michel, Gibson, Harris
WR Hopkins, Julio, Godwin, Woods, Cooks, Harry, Shenault, Edwards
TE Engram, Goedert, Herndon, Bryant
2021 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd


FFPC Team 2 2019 rebuild 10th
QB Jackson, Tua, Brese
RB Taylor, Swift, L Murray, Barber
WR Diggs, Jeudy, Cooks, Gallup, Campbell, Pres Williams, Cephus, DPJ, Renfrow
TE Fant, Olsen, Troutman
2021 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd


FFPC Team 3 SF Start up 2020
QB Tua, Lock, Love
RB Taylor, Swift, Hunt, Dillon
WR Godwin, DJ Moore, Jefferson, Pittman, Mims, Edwards, Van Jefferson
TE Engram, Fant, Asiasi
2021 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:51 am

I won't be shocked if Johnson is considered more valuable than Cook a year from now.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby tominansky » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:57 am

Here’s a fun one. His John Brown, 2021 2nd and 2022 1st for my Odell and 2020 1.06
12 team, 0.5ppr, 28 roster, SF, 1pt for 1st downs
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex/Flex/SF/D

QB: Kyler, Stafford, Darnold, Trubisky
RB: Taylor, Dobbins, Kerryon, D. Freeman, Hasty, Mack, Harris, Love, Bowden
WR: Hopkins, Adams, Tyreek, Diontae, Mecole, Westbrook, Renfrow, Cephus, G. Davis
TE: Jonnu, Schultz
2021: 2, 3x 3rds
2022: All picks

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:58 am

tominansky wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:57 am
Here’s a fun one. His John Brown, 2021 2nd and 2022 1st for my Odell and 2020 1.06
Lol

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby jenkins.math » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:56 am

Got this gem:

My Juju and 2020 first (1.14) for Hunter Henry and Devin Singletary
Team 1: 14 team dynasty, 25 man roster, keep 14
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D/ST, K, DL, LB, DE
QB: Ryan, Mayfield
RB: Barkley, CEH, Kelley, Ahmed, Snell
WR: OBJ, Evans, Juju, Moore, Jeudy, Reagor, Corey Davis, Cooks
TE: Kittle, L. Thomas
K: Butker
D/ST: Browns, Bears
DL: Buckner
LB: Kendricks
DB: B. Baker

Team 2: 12 team PPR Salary Cap
QB: Watson, Goff
RB: Barkley, CEH, Gibson, Howard, Perine, Lewis, Ozigbo
WR: Hill, Allen, Boyd, Landry, Sims, DJax, Hamler, Westbrook
TE: Schultz, Ebron, Thomas, Keene, Jarwin
K: Tucker
D/ST: Steelers, Bills
Taxi: Lock, Bryce Love, Higgins

Team 3: 12 team SF
QB: Wentz, Mayfield, Love
RB: AP, Lewis, Perine, JJ Taylor, Vaughn, Mack
WR: Jeudy, Jeffrey, P Williams, Mooney, Cephus, Fitz, Gandy-Golden, Hightower, Swain, Bisi Johnson, Tate
TE: Doyle, Smith, Trautman, Keene, Warring

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby snaps06 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:05 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:51 am
I won't be shocked if Johnson is considered more valuable than Cook a year from now.
I also won't be shocked if Johnson is worth no more than a late-2nd a year from now and Cook put up another top-5 season. It's a horrific trade offer of a bunch of dimes for a dollar.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:13 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:56 am
Got this gem:

My Juju and 2020 first (1.14) for Hunter Henry and Devin Singletary
Another year, another thread of "bad" trade offers.

Henry = 1st
Juju > Singletary... But by how much realistically? Juju just posted an awful year and Singletary looks good.

When I look at this thread, I expect to see something like

Lamar Jackson for Rivers, Witten and Gore
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - [b]14 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, Baker, D. Jones
RB: JT, Mostert (IR), Gaskin (IR), Dillon, Ingram, Mattison, Scott, McKissic
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Mims, Hardman, Preston (IR), Parris (IR)
TE: Andrews, Fant, Henry
2021: 1.05-1.10, 2, 3

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - [b]20 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, Ryan, Mullens, Luton, Minshew (IR)
RB: Saquon (IR), Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt, Penny (IR)
WR: AJB, DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, C. Davis, C. Samuel, Mooney, Lazard, J. Washington
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Irv, Tonyan
2021: 1.03-1.06, 2, 2, 3, 3
2022: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby bjd5211 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:16 am

snaps06 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:05 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:51 am
I won't be shocked if Johnson is considered more valuable than Cook a year from now.
I also won't be shocked if Johnson is worth no more than a late-2nd a year from now and Cook put up another top-5 season. It's a horrific trade offer of a bunch of dimes for a dollar.
Never said it was a good offer. Just think this could be one of the ones that is laughed at initially and then ends up being completely lopsided the other way 1 year later, especially depending on what could be with that 2 06 in this years draft. Every single one of these bad trade threads has trades in them that actually would have been a good trade.

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Paul717 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:33 am

Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:13 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:56 am
Got this gem:

My Juju and 2020 first (1.14) for Hunter Henry and Devin Singletary
Another year, another thread of "bad" trade offers.

Henry = 1st
Juju > Singletary... But by how much realistically? Juju just posted an awful year and Singletary looks good.

When I look at this thread, I expect to see something like

Lamar Jackson for Rivers, Witten and Gore
Lol. I can totally see someone in my league making an absurd offer like that. As a lottery team with a few bright young players, I expect to see some questionable offers myself. But not until the summer. Unfortunately most of my league hibernates now. :(
"Marathon Square" - 16 team full PPR league with 24 player roster. Keep 16 per year indefinitely, draft 8. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 Team DST
QB: Deshaun Watson, Philip Rivers
RB: Aaron Jones, J.K. Dobbins, Jalen Richard, J.J. Taylor, Eno Benjamin, Trayveon Williams
WR: Calvin Ridley, A.J. Brown, Jamison Crowder, Tee Higgins, Emmanuel Sanders, Kendrick Bourne, Tyler Johnson, Quintez Cephus, Marcus Johnson, Antonio Brown
TE: T.J. Hockenson, Cole Kmet
K: Rodrigo Blankenship
Team DST: Lions, Jets

Picks:
2021: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Disclaimer: My one and only Championship in this league was way back in 2011. Therefore, take my replies with the appropriate grain of salt. :lol:

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Ray Finkle » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:08 am

Paul717 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:33 am
Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:13 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:56 am
Got this gem:

My Juju and 2020 first (1.14) for Hunter Henry and Devin Singletary
Another year, another thread of "bad" trade offers.

Henry = 1st
Juju > Singletary... But by how much realistically? Juju just posted an awful year and Singletary looks good.

When I look at this thread, I expect to see something like

Lamar Jackson for Rivers, Witten and Gore
Lol. I can totally see someone in my league making an absurd offer like that. As a lottery team with a few bright young players, I expect to see some questionable offers myself. But not until the summer. Unfortunately most of my league hibernates now. :(
Well you know, Rivers might be in a new city looking to prove himself. Witten is rejuvenated after spending 2018 in the booth and Frank Gore is immortal. All of that coupled with Lamar’s likely regression...:think:

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby ArrylT » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:21 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:16 am
snaps06 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:05 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:51 am
I won't be shocked if Johnson is considered more valuable than Cook a year from now.
I also won't be shocked if Johnson is worth no more than a late-2nd a year from now and Cook put up another top-5 season. It's a horrific trade offer of a bunch of dimes for a dollar.
Never said it was a good offer. Just think this could be one of the ones that is laughed at initially and then ends up being completely lopsided the other way 1 year later, especially depending on what could be with that 2 06 in this years draft. Every single one of these bad trade threads has trades in them that actually would have been a good trade.
This.

I completely & totally understand that every owner has a different perspective re: trading - as such I personally only consider 'bad trades' to be offers where the number of things to make you win the deal are unlikely - sort of like give Ezekiel Elliott for a 2022 3rd type offer. Yes maybe in 3 years the player you draft in the 2022 3rd ends up being the next Zeke - but the # of things go that way. A trade where I can see what goes up coming down to me is not a bad offer even if it looks that way at this snapshot in time.

So yes something like

Lamar Jackson for Rivers, Witten and Gore
or
Fournette for Doug Martin 2019 3rd and a 2020 4th

Bad

whereas something like

Odell Beckham for Adam Thielen
or
Kerryon Johnson for 2020 2nd

*shrugs*

But we all value players differently, and there is nothing wrong with having a different perspective than consensus as long as you are prepared for the reaction. :)
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Friction » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:16 am
snaps06 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:05 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:51 am
I won't be shocked if Johnson is considered more valuable than Cook a year from now.
I also won't be shocked if Johnson is worth no more than a late-2nd a year from now and Cook put up another top-5 season. It's a horrific trade offer of a bunch of dimes for a dollar.
Never said it was a good offer. Just think this could be one of the ones that is laughed at initially and then ends up being completely lopsided the other way 1 year later, especially depending on what could be with that 2 06 in this years draft. Every single one of these bad trade threads has trades in them that actually would have been a good trade.
Contract is up next year, so I am actually trying to unload. The whole, bad teams ponying up the money to invest in a FA Rb scares me, injuries aside. I would not do that particular offer listed, since I know more can be had, but I kind of thought the same thing. I remember some eerily similar AB trades going down his first or second year, and people going nuts that someone could project him to be worth more than a late second.
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12 Team 1PPR 1QB/1-3RB/1-3 WR/1TE/1DST
QB:Brady, Cousins
RB: Barkley, Chubb, Jacobs, Henry, Mack, Love
WR: Nuk, Thielen, Cooks, Parris, Gallup
TE: Henry, Olsen, Herndon

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby jenkins.math » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:32 am

Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:13 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:56 am
Got this gem:

My Juju and 2020 first (1.14) for Hunter Henry and Devin Singletary
Another year, another thread of "bad" trade offers.

Henry = 1st
Juju > Singletary... But by how much realistically? Juju just posted an awful year and Singletary looks good.

When I look at this thread, I expect to see something like

Lamar Jackson for Rivers, Witten and Gore
This time last season Juju was seen as a top 15 overall dynasty asset by virtually everyone. Now he is barely worth more than Singletary? Considering the dumpster fire that was Pitt, lumping Juju and Singletary that close together seems like too much redraft thinking and not dynasty thinking.
Team 1: 14 team dynasty, 25 man roster, keep 14
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D/ST, K, DL, LB, DE
QB: Ryan, Mayfield
RB: Barkley, CEH, Kelley, Ahmed, Snell
WR: OBJ, Evans, Juju, Moore, Jeudy, Reagor, Corey Davis, Cooks
TE: Kittle, L. Thomas
K: Butker
D/ST: Browns, Bears
DL: Buckner
LB: Kendricks
DB: B. Baker

Team 2: 12 team PPR Salary Cap
QB: Watson, Goff
RB: Barkley, CEH, Gibson, Howard, Perine, Lewis, Ozigbo
WR: Hill, Allen, Boyd, Landry, Sims, DJax, Hamler, Westbrook
TE: Schultz, Ebron, Thomas, Keene, Jarwin
K: Tucker
D/ST: Steelers, Bills
Taxi: Lock, Bryce Love, Higgins

Team 3: 12 team SF
QB: Wentz, Mayfield, Love
RB: AP, Lewis, Perine, JJ Taylor, Vaughn, Mack
WR: Jeudy, Jeffrey, P Williams, Mooney, Cephus, Fitz, Gandy-Golden, Hightower, Swain, Bisi Johnson, Tate
TE: Doyle, Smith, Trautman, Keene, Warring

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:52 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:32 am
Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:13 am
jenkins.math wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:56 am
Got this gem:

My Juju and 2020 first (1.14) for Hunter Henry and Devin Singletary
Another year, another thread of "bad" trade offers.

Henry = 1st
Juju > Singletary... But by how much realistically? Juju just posted an awful year and Singletary looks good.

When I look at this thread, I expect to see something like

Lamar Jackson for Rivers, Witten and Gore
This time last season Juju was seen as a top 15 overall dynasty asset by virtually everyone. Now he is barely worth more than Singletary? Considering the dumpster fire that was Pitt, lumping Juju and Singletary that close together seems like too much redraft thinking and not dynasty thinking.
Lol I never said he was worth barely more... Just illustration how this may not be THAT bad of an offer. Certainly not one to come and complain about imo
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - [b]14 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, Baker, D. Jones
RB: JT, Mostert (IR), Gaskin (IR), Dillon, Ingram, Mattison, Scott, McKissic
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Mims, Hardman, Preston (IR), Parris (IR)
TE: Andrews, Fant, Henry
2021: 1.05-1.10, 2, 3

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - [b]20 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, Ryan, Mullens, Luton, Minshew (IR)
RB: Saquon (IR), Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt, Penny (IR)
WR: AJB, DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, C. Davis, C. Samuel, Mooney, Lazard, J. Washington
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Irv, Tonyan
2021: 1.03-1.06, 2, 2, 3, 3
2022: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers

Postby Mephistopheles » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:12 am

Not a formal offer but the comments on these...

Guy reached out to me asking about Julio Jones and Phillip Lindsay (he has freeman). Now what I've started to do with a lot of these trolls who ask after players is give them a "maybe" price and a "definitely" price. In this case, I said if you give me 2 1sts (both Early), I'll think about it, if you give AJ Brown, one early 1st and a late 2nd I'll definitely do it. For the record - DLF trade analyzer which I did not consult until after I gave him the quote, has the "maybe" about 5% in his favor and the "definitely" about 7% in mine.

Here's the guy's response (cut and paste):
"That's way too much. You're crazy to ask that kind of price for a washed up 33 year old receiver on a shitty team who I've heard is about to retire, plus an RB who's about to get beat out by the best young RB in the game. I'll give a late 2nd for both or nothing and that's a gift."

He proceeds to send that offer (2.09 for Julio and Lindsay).

I reject with the following response:
"If being 'washed up' means putting up 1,400 yards receiving, then I'll gladly keep this 'washed up' 30 year old receiver. As far as 'retiring', please cite your source. As far as Freeman being the 'best young RB in the game', Quads Barkley, Josh Jacobs, and Mr. McCaffrey might have a little something to say about that."

His response is priceless:
"Julio did NOT put up 1,400 yards this year, why you spouting this BS? Like you say, 'cite your source'. He's overrated, never was more than a WR2 in his career and he's fading fast. And you know it because you're willing to trade him. Just like to know Lindsay ain't gonna be the starter next year so you're willing to trade him."

Ummmmm...what? Lay off the crack dude...Julio was THE wr4 in this league this year. Not A WR4, THE WR4. And he was the reason I beat this idiot in the semifinals.
And some people wonder why I hate trading.
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5. You can name or fabricate 5 risks on every player not on your team.
4. You always respond that you don't value another team's players as highly as they do.
3. You steer conversations away from ADP or any other form of consensus or rankings to gauge trade value.
2. Your trade strategy centers around seeing where someone's at on a player or that "it's just a first offer".
1. Your trade offers are rejected without counter or outright ignored.
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