Baker mayfield

[Blueboy]

I think we're understating both how difficult it is for QBs to change footwork this late in their career, and how much it could improve/wreck Mayfield's immediate development.

For a lot of last season, he was adding at least one extra (pointless) step to his dropbacks. That was as much to blame for horrendous protection as the bad O-line, it made blockers who were already outmatched have to hold their assignments for at least an extra half second. That might not seem like a lot, but it really is. I'd call him a buy, but not for those who are risk averse.

[FantasyFreak]

Baker wasn't a 1st round prospect until his final season.

Is this sarcasm?

No that part is true for the most part. I don’t remember Baker getting first round talk until he beat Ohio State

I tend to think this is accurate, if I recall correctly.

[FantasyFreak]

Baker is not looking good. I am starting to think he may not be a starter for a 2nd contract. He still has time to turn it around, but he needs to start doing that, soon. Maybe a date with the Bengals is what the doctor ordered.

[Factory of Sadness]

I was excited about him, but the two worries right now are the kind that can kill a QB's career. He doesn't look decisive about where to go with the ball and when. He isn't throwing an accurate ball. 'Talent' is an amorphous concept, but getting it out on time to the right guy and putting it where you want it is 99% of how you'd measure it for a QB. He seems less certain about the first than when he started and is strangely becoming less and less accurate.
He isn't under huge pressure and has talented guys who get open, so we're not looking at Darnold's situation here. The Daniel Jones of the Steelers game has more pressure and smaller windows than Baker against the Jets, hugely so, yet he made throwing the ball to your guy and hitting him look pretty straightforward for most of the game. Baker made completing passes look like hard work...
It might be a good idea to move him as soon as he has a good game against a bad D.

[Jigga94]

So glad I sold high in one league. Other share is still tanking but I'll hold until his value goes back up... If it ever does

[FantasyFreak]

So glad I sold high in one league. Other share is still tanking but I'll hold until his value goes back up... If it ever does

Well, if he can pull a good game together tonight, that would be the time. That Washington DL coming up week 3 looks unsettling.

[Jigga94]

So glad I sold high in one league. Other share is still tanking but I'll hold until his value goes back up... If it ever does

Well, if he can pull a good game together tonight, that would be the time. That Washington DL coming up week 3 looks unsettling.

I don't think anyone's going to buy after 1 good game when the previous 17 have been collectively bad

[ManuManu]

Sold him for a Jonnu Smith in a 1QB league and was happy to get out while I could.

[Bronco Billy]

I’ll be the contrarian here. It’s WAY too early to give up on Mayfield. He’s on now his 4th HC in just starting his 3rd year, including 2 of the worst and dumbest coaches in recent memories in that bunch. Despite that he showed some very real potential his rookie year in breaking the rookie TD record while not even playing a full season. Then last year he got an incredibly poor O line to go with the incredibly crappy HC and looked shell shocked early and often.

The guy has the arm talent, the smarts, and the attitude. He just needs to settle in and get comfortable with a much better team and coach around him now. The COVID PS didn’t help with his getting acclimated at all. People have thrown roadblocks in front of him and dismissed him his whole life, and he made it his mission to prove them wrong and accomplished it to date. I’m thinking it’s much too early to discard him now. QB still has the steepest learning curve in the NFL and now he’s finally got some stability and talent surrounding him. Let’s see how he progresses as the season moves on.

[bjd5211]

I’ll be the contrarian here. It’s WAY too early to give up on Mayfield.

I get what you are saying, but the reality of the NFL today is players are expected to contribute and play well earlier, and getting high end production out of a highly drafted QB while he's still on his rookie deal is very important in todays landscape. So yes Baker shouldn't be completely given up on, but he is rapidly approaching the that point if he doesn't turn it around.

[YouMightDieTryin]

I’ll be the contrarian here. It’s WAY too early to give up on Mayfield. He’s on now his 4th HC in just starting his 3rd year, including 2 of the worst and dumbest coaches in recent memories in that bunch. Despite that he showed some very real potential his rookie year in breaking the rookie TD record while not even playing a full season. Then last year he got an incredibly poor O line to go with the incredibly crappy HC and looked shell shocked early and often.

The guy has the arm talent, the smarts, and the attitude. He just needs to settle in and get comfortable with a much better team and coach around him now. The COVID PS didn’t help with his getting acclimated at all. People have thrown roadblocks in front of him and dismissed him his whole life, and he made it his mission to prove them wrong and accomplished it to date. I’m thinking it’s much too early to discard him now. QB still has the steepest learning curve in the NFL and now he’s finally got some stability and talent surrounding him. Let’s see how he progresses as the season moves on.

Agreed. Plus in addition they just tried to tweak his footwork I believe. Trying to change that combined with everyone telling him what to do at the same time his head just has to look like a circus. There comes a point the dude just has to shut out everyone and everything and just play the game the way he knows how. He obviously could do it at Oklahoma, but right now he's in his own head.

[Pac_Eddy]

I like Baker the QB, but I think the Browns organization is one of the worst in football, starting with the owner. Mayfield doesn't have much of a chance until he's on a different team. There are reasons to get excited every off season, but Cleveland is a house built on sand.

[Bot101]

Sold him for a Jonnu Smith in a 1QB league and was happy to get out while I could.

I got out in my 1 QB league as well. By dropping him lol.

[thebeast]

Yeah, things don't look good for Baker. I'm not sure why a bunch of posters are making excuses to him. He likely has the best supporting cast in the league... The Browns surrounded him with OBJ, Landry, Hunt, and Hooper via trade and invested high draft picks into Chubb and the online. I don't think you could surround a young QB with better talent. I get he has a lot of coaching changes, but he is just overthrowing guys, throwing behind them, and just flat out looking bad. I don't know if he will turn it around, he seems to be overthinking everything, he's in his own head. I would likely trade him for a 2nd in the one league I own him, but not sure I could get that for him now.

[Orenthal Shames]

Yeah, things don't look good for Baker. I'm not sure why a bunch of posters are making excuses to him. He likely has the best supporting cast in the league... The Browns surrounded him with OBJ, Landry, Hunt, and Hooper via trade and invested high draft picks into Chubb and the online. I don't think you could surround a young QB with better talent. I get he has a lot of coaching changes, but he is just overthrowing guys, throwing behind them, and just flat out looking bad. I don't know if he will turn it around, he seems to be overthinking everything, he's in his own head. I would likely trade him for a 2nd in the one league I own him, but not sure I could get that for him now.

His confidence (and accuracy) has vanished.