Baker mayfield

[PPE82]

and this should be in team advice.

No it shouldn't

[Sfoster2625]

He flat out shouldn't be on waivers and this should be in team advice.

I was thinking the thread would go more in the direction of people’s opinions on him and not whether I should pick him up or not. That’s why I put it here

[Sfoster2625]

I guess he probably should be rostered, but there's no reason to have 6 QBs in a 1QB league, especially when you only have 5 RBs rostered.

My teams changed some from my signature. The waiver wire is abysmal at skill positions but I will definitely be cutting some qbs loose after the draft. Plus I’m dropping Bridgewater for baker bc of roster limits anyway

[Orenthal Shames]

He flat out shouldn't be on waivers and this should be in team advice.

In a shallow 8 or 10 team, single qb league, it's not out of the question, especially with talks of Landry and OBJ wanting out.

... but it's not 8 team and Landry and OBJ aren't out.

Right, he's qb20 with them. That's bordeline waiver fodder in a 10 team league.

[Phaded]

I was pretty high on Baker - I still am, to be quite fair.

The more I dug into what was going on with the Browns, the more I think the problems with the offense lie on Kitchens (he is absolutely horrendous) and the o-line. Baker hasn't been great, but he hasn't been terrible.

The biggest thing I see when I watch this offense is an incredibly vanilla and basic offense, that won't fly in the NFL and has been exposed constantly when coaches try to implement it.

[Blueboy]

I was pretty high on Baker - I still am, to be quite fair.

The more I dug into what was going on with the Browns, the more I think the problems with the offense lie on Kitchens (he is absolutely horrendous) and the o-line. Baker hasn't been great, but he hasn't been terrible.

The biggest thing I see when I watch this offense is an incredibly vanilla and basic offense, that won't fly in the NFL and has been exposed constantly when coaches try to implement it.

Fully agree. This offense has also had so little success adjusting mid-game to unexpected looks on defense that it's ridiculous. Going back and watching them on gamepass gives me legit flashbacks to the frustration of Jeff Fisher and John Fox teams, though the roster's talent is more obvious here.

[briank]

He just became available on waivers in my league. Does he bounce back next year and become a decent starting qb or does he go the way of Johnny manziel or somewhere in between?

I will be buying him low everywhere this offseason. I'd rather Baker than all of the QB in your sig.

[ericanadian]

He’s got some Jared Goff/Derek Carr upside. Unfortunately, I think he also has their downsides. In the right systems, he can be a top five QB. In the wrong system, he can make you question why he’s a starting QB in the NFL. I think Kitchens’ offense is closer to the right system than the wrong system when the offensive line is blocking effectively. Unfortunately the reverse is also true when the blocking is poor.

[remedy29]

To the OP, Baker is much higher than Drew Lock and Bridgewater. So he is an easy add over those two. I'd add him over Daniel Jones too.

I liked Baker, had him but traded him away for a late 2020 1st in August. I traded him primarily because I had Andrew Luck, and why would I ever need another QB...

After watching this season, I feel he is an average QB. He has average athleticism and poor height. His ceiling is a Drew Brees, where he is deadly accurate and extremely smart with the football. However, Brees played half his games in a dome and his road / outside starts were no where near his home stats stat wise. Baker doesn't play in a dome, he plays outside in a cold weather stadium. I do not see a QB of his stature excelling in that situation.

So at best, I see Baker as a low end QB1.

[Jigga94]

I could see him being a Jameis kinda guy

[AussieMate]

He just became available on waivers in my league. Does he bounce back next year and become a decent starting qb or does he go the way of Johnny manziel or somewhere in between?

Johnny Football never showed any ability in the NFL, Baker did set the rookie TD record when he didn't start the whole season and partly with Hue Jackson. He's been terrible this year but he has shown he can do it. Worth a flyer.

I think he has the upside to take a flyer on in a 1QB as well.

I struggled valuing him in 2 QB though because I'm not sure where he ends up. Felt risky having him in both leagues so I sold him in one for basically Matt Ryan

I also sold him in a 2qb league along with Juju to get Ryan and Kamara, I think there was a swapping of a 1st and a 2nd rnd pick as well.

[Sriracha]

We’re talking about Baker as a Flyer at this point?

Dude was a stud in college, and literally broke the TD record as a rookie QB playing for the freaking CLE Browns... one down season among multiple quality ones does not suddenly make an elite talent a Bust, or limit his upside (which is still top 5, imo).

He should not be on waivers, in a basically any DYNASTY league at this point

[dynastyninja]

We’re talking about Baker as a Flyer at this point?

Dude was a stud in college, and literally broke the TD record as a rookie QB playing for the freaking CLE Browns... one down season among multiple quality ones does not suddenly make an elite talent a Bust, or limit his upside (which is still top 5, imo).

He should not be on waivers, in a basically any DYNASTY league at this point

We have different definitions of elite talent

[MrUbuto]

We’re talking about Baker as a Flyer at this point?

Dude was a stud in college, and literally broke the TD record as a rookie QB playing for the freaking CLE Browns... one down season among multiple quality ones does not suddenly make an elite talent a Bust, or limit his upside (which is still top 5, imo).

He should not be on waivers, in a basically any DYNASTY league at this point

100% agree. I can't believe what I'm reading in these other posts. It's called a sophomore slump. They are a very real thing. Also add in a new coach who was an odd hire to begin with in my opinion.

Baker is on leagues waivers?!?!?!?!

WOW this is madness. Kids a stud, he's regressed that's undeniable but pump the brakes.

[FantasyFreak]

We’re talking about Baker as a Flyer at this point?

Dude was a stud in college, and literally broke the TD record as a rookie QB playing for the freaking CLE Browns... one down season among multiple quality ones does not suddenly make an elite talent a Bust, or limit his upside (which is still top 5, imo).

He should not be on waivers, in a basically any DYNASTY league at this point

100% agree. I can't believe what I'm reading in these other posts. It's called a sophomore slump. They are a very real thing. Also add in a new coach who was an odd hire to begin with in my opinion.

Baker is on leagues waivers?!?!?!?!

WOW this is madness. Kids a stud, he's regressed that's undeniable but pump the brakes.

Disagree. Baker is not a "stud". Not only is he not playing well, he a childish, immature person who lacks leadership skills necessary for the NFL. I don't think he should be on waivers, but the term "stud", is not designated for players who haven't been and are not elite players in the NFL, at least not the way I see it. I think Baker lacks the elite traits that would make him a top end NFL QB, personally.