Baker mayfield

[briank]

Hahaha. Sorry wasn't trying to be argumentative.

I'm just a big fan of baker and I like his swagger "immaturity" some might say. It's certainly been a tough year and perhaps the pressure got to him.

I think he's a great buy low. However the guy in my league who owns him I know loves him.

I tend to agree that it's more swagger than immaturity. I think his struggles have more to do with their pass blocking and play calling than his ability.

[thebeast]

How is he immature? We see 2 maybe 3 1 minute sound bites a week and then 3rd or 4th hand opinions by beat writers who need to fill a half page every day.

I'm not saying he isn't a tool, but as far as I know I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe he is immature. And even if he WAS immature hes what. 22? Most 22 year olds are

I think things like this are immature: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 059437001/

I saw a lot more from Jones this year than I did from Baker. Baker got too cocky and had a season to forget despite the best offensive weapons in the league. Hopefully, he spends more time in the tape room than in the media room calling out other guys and rebounds next year.

[briank]

How is he immature? We see 2 maybe 3 1 minute sound bites a week and then 3rd or 4th hand opinions by beat writers who need to fill a half page every day.

I'm not saying he isn't a tool, but as far as I know I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe he is immature. And even if he WAS immature hes what. 22? Most 22 year olds are

I think things like this are immature: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 059437001/

I saw a lot more from Jones this year than I did from Baker. Baker got too cocky and had a season to forget despite the best offensive weapons in the league. Hopefully, he spends more time in the tape room than in the media room calling out other guys and rebounds next year.

Baker's comments were taken out of context. Like a mature adult, he cleared the air with Jones personally. Even if those comments weren't taken out of context, that pretty much what everyone and their mother thought when the Giants took Jones there.

[AussieMate]

Surely Kitchens gets fired? Some blame is definitely on Baker but that oline has been atrocious and the play calling is pathetic.

[briank]

Surely Kitchens gets fired? Some blame is definitely on Baker but that oline has been atrocious and the play calling is pathetic.

I competent organization would dump Kitchens and spend some capital on the line, but this is the Browns, so who knows.

[Lotto4Life]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

[MrUbuto]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

I think that's a very spicy comp.

I could actually see them having a similar next few years and that's a compliment to minshew not a knock on mayfield.

Obviously baker should have a better career but I could see mineshew hanging around as a top 10 qb for a few years.

[bjd5211]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

I think that's a very spicy comp.

I could actually see them having a similar next few years and that's a compliment to minshew not a knock on mayfield.

Obviously baker should have a better career but I could see mineshew hanging around as a top 10 qb for a few years.

Because Colin Cowherd is the one that made it the other day haha. He's a noted Baker hater, but has been pretty much spot on about him, and the comparison did actually make some sense. Check out the segment on YouTube.

[Lotto4Life]

I typed saw instead of heard - apologies. Was a conversation with a Browns fan. Not sure if the thought originated from Cowherd as I didn't know Cowherd had made that comp. Perhaps that's why it was brought up.

[bjd5211]

I typed saw instead of heard - apologies. Was a conversation with a Browns fan. Not sure if the thought originated from Cowherd as I didn't know Cowherd had made that comp. Perhaps that's why it was brought up.

Who knows where it really originated from, two people can have the same idea without ever talking about it with each other. Maybe the guy you talked to got it from Cowherd, or Cowherd got it from someone else and made it a nationwide topic, doesn't really matter.

His segment on it definitely explains why it's not as crazy a comparison as it seems at first glance though.

[MrUbuto]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

I think that's a very spicy comp.

I could actually see them having a similar next few years and that's a compliment to minshew not a knock on mayfield.

Obviously baker should have a better career but I could see mineshew hanging around as a top 10 qb for a few years.

Because Colin Cowherd is the one that made it the other day haha. He's a noted Baker hater, but has been pretty much spot on about him, and the comparison did actually make some sense. Check out the segment on YouTube.

Haha that's funny. My first thought was how it wreaked of a afternoon ESPN talking head show lol

But it's certainly not ridiculous. It's probably 90% that baker will have a better career, but I do love me some minshew guys a scrappy junk yard dog.

I'd out my money on minshew if you have me 5-1

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

A fair amount for me. I'd say that in 1QB, Mayfield = mid/late 2nd and Minshew = mid 3rd. In superflex/2QB, I'd say Mayfield = early 1st and Minshew = early 2nd.

CLE is overhauling their GM + HC, and the possibility of Greg Roman running the offense should make Mayfield a huge buy. Also, while I do think that Minshew > Foles and should start, money and draft capital matter in the NFL. JAX is paying Foles a ton of money, and Minshew was a 6th round draft pick. There's no guarantee that Minshew will hold onto the starting job to start the 2020 season. On the other hand, Mayfield will have a long leash before he's benched given that he was the no. 1 overall draft pick.

[ericanadian]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

A fair amount for me. I'd say that in 1QB, Mayfield = mid/late 2nd and Minshew = mid 3rd. In superflex/2QB, I'd say Mayfield = early 1st and Minshew = early 2nd.

CLE is overhauling their GM + HC, and the possibility of Greg Roman running the offense should make Mayfield a huge buy. Also, while I do think that Minshew > Foles and should start, money and draft capital matter in the NFL. JAX is paying Foles a ton of money, and Minshew was a 6th round draft pick. There's no guarantee that Minshew will hold onto the starting job to start the 2020 season. On the other hand, Mayfield will have a long leash before he's benched given that he was the no. 1 overall draft pick.

You think giving the kid a third new offense in his third year is going to be a positive development for Mayfield? Sure, you could hope for a short term upswing and sell high such as what people should’ve done with Carr & Goff, etc. People chased Bradford around for years thinking he just needed a new coach and while you can blame injuries, it was unlikely to ever happen. Alex Smith is probably the only example of a guy having that much change in his first couple years and eventually finding success.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

A fair amount for me. I'd say that in 1QB, Mayfield = mid/late 2nd and Minshew = mid 3rd. In superflex/2QB, I'd say Mayfield = early 1st and Minshew = early 2nd.

CLE is overhauling their GM + HC, and the possibility of Greg Roman running the offense should make Mayfield a huge buy. Also, while I do think that Minshew > Foles and should start, money and draft capital matter in the NFL. JAX is paying Foles a ton of money, and Minshew was a 6th round draft pick. There's no guarantee that Minshew will hold onto the starting job to start the 2020 season. On the other hand, Mayfield will have a long leash before he's benched given that he was the no. 1 overall draft pick.

You think giving the kid a third new offense in his third year is going to be a positive development for Mayfield? Sure, you could hope for a short term upswing and sell high such as what people should’ve done with Carr & Goff, etc. People chased Bradford around for years thinking he just needed a new coach and while you can blame injuries, it was unlikely to ever happen. Alex Smith is probably the only example of a guy having that much change in his first couple years and eventually finding success.

Does it matter if Mayfield pans out? Personally, I think he can, but even if not, the point is as you said. When Mayfield gets a new OC, HC, whatever, his value will rebound. As a 6th round pick, Minshew will be on a short leash and will forever have doubters. Mayfield's dynasty is insulated for at least another year or two.

[FantasyFreak]

Saw something interesting so thought I'd bring it here - how much difference is there between Mayfield and Minshew?

A fair amount for me. I'd say that in 1QB, Mayfield = mid/late 2nd and Minshew = mid 3rd. In superflex/2QB, I'd say Mayfield = early 1st and Minshew = early 2nd.

CLE is overhauling their GM + HC, and the possibility of Greg Roman running the offense should make Mayfield a huge buy. Also, while I do think that Minshew > Foles and should start, money and draft capital matter in the NFL. JAX is paying Foles a ton of money, and Minshew was a 6th round draft pick. There's no guarantee that Minshew will hold onto the starting job to start the 2020 season. On the other hand, Mayfield will have a long leash before he's benched given that he was the no. 1 overall draft pick.

You think giving the kid a third new offense in his third year is going to be a positive development for Mayfield? Sure, you could hope for a short term upswing and sell high such as what people should’ve done with Carr & Goff, etc. People chased Bradford around for years thinking he just needed a new coach and while you can blame injuries, it was unlikely to ever happen. Alex Smith is probably the only example of a guy having that much change in his first couple years and eventually finding success.

Plus the Browns are hiring a HC, THEN the GM. Azz backwards. If you don't trust a GM to hire a HC, and be better at it than you, as an ownership group, you shouldn't be hiring that guy as your GM. The Browns are a mess. I don't think Baker has the personality or raw physical talent to overcome this type of dysfunction.