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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:11 pm

I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm I don’t own any part of this backfield but I remember reading Henderson was #1 in broken tackle percentage among RBs with 20+ carries. Every time I saw him play he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year- very explosive and efficient. The blown assignment thing is a red flag and he has to correct that this year to get any playing time, but his owners might be able to salvage something from him going forward.

I’m not a big fan of Akers but I think he ends up getting the bulk of the carries and Henderson is used in an Aaron Jones type role of maybe 10 touches a game. I can see Henderson being the primary receiving back, especially since the coach says he wants to use everyone and that is the most logical role for Henderson as far as I’m concerned. Some concerning flags so far, and drafting Akers isn’t a great vote of confidence, but I also don’t see it as a sign LA is moving away from Henderson all together.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby I-ROK » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:21 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:11 pm
I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm I don’t own any part of this backfield but I remember reading Henderson was #1 in broken tackle percentage among RBs with 20+ carries. Every time I saw him play he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year- very explosive and efficient. The blown assignment thing is a red flag and he has to correct that this year to get any playing time, but his owners might be able to salvage something from him going forward.

I’m not a big fan of Akers but I think he ends up getting the bulk of the carries and Henderson is used in an Aaron Jones type role of maybe 10 touches a game. I can see Henderson being the primary receiving back, especially since the coach says he wants to use everyone and that is the most logical role for Henderson as far as I’m concerned. Some concerning flags so far, and drafting Akers isn’t a great vote of confidence, but I also don’t see it as a sign LA is moving away from Henderson all together.
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2-3 years ago sure. 2019, no. I thought I made that clear when I said he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year...

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby MEuRaH » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:47 pm

joeya2001 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:21 am
Valhalla wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:05 am
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If you search my posts and read the 2 articles I wrote on Darrell Henderon, this was my biggest complaint over and over. You could go back 2-3 pages on this thread alone to see some of it.

All players enter the NFL with talent. These are the best of the best. One thing that separates those who can from those who can't is mental capacity. When I read articles or watch interviews from the all-time greats in the NFL, this is repeated most often along with work ethic. DH doesn't have it. RoJo doesn't have it. VAUGHN -- watch out folks -- doesn't have it.

I avoid such players at all costs.
Not that I don't agree (I steer away from guys who seem less professional as well), but there have been some VERY good players that don't come across as professionals.
I'm curious to hear your input on this. HOW are you gauging their mental capacity? Is it their dialect in an interview? How many times they say "umm" "y'know what I'm sayin" and "erybody"...? Is it what prior coaches say about them picking up on the system? Is it a response of pure cliche answers in interviews? By mental capacity do you moreso mean their ability to pick up on the rigorous demands of the workouts and expanded playbooks far beyond what was asked of them in college? And if so, how do you so confidently judge their ability to make that jump? I'd just like to know how you are so confident in another individual's "mental capacity." I'm not criticizing. I'm looking for clarity of your view/analysis.
That's a good point and id like to hear the take on that
I'm a teacher by trade. I've had well over 2,000 students pass through my class. It's my job to analyze students and assess their learning and understanding. I can sense plagiarism and phony answers a mile away. Two kids could give the same exact answers but I can tell that one kid understands what he's saying while the other kid is simply giving lip service. It's really more of an art than science.

If a player explains "why" in their answer more than "what", that's a good sign that they know what they are talking about.

EDIT: Just real quick I did a search of the number of times I said "Henderson" and "interviews" in the same post. 7 times total. I feel like I'm ragging on the kid now... :(. search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=23043
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Valhalla » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:40 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:47 pm
joeya2001 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:21 am
Valhalla wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:05 am

Not that I don't agree (I steer away from guys who seem less professional as well), but there have been some VERY good players that don't come across as professionals.
I'm curious to hear your input on this. HOW are you gauging their mental capacity? Is it their dialect in an interview? How many times they say "umm" "y'know what I'm sayin" and "erybody"...? Is it what prior coaches say about them picking up on the system? Is it a response of pure cliche answers in interviews? By mental capacity do you moreso mean their ability to pick up on the rigorous demands of the workouts and expanded playbooks far beyond what was asked of them in college? And if so, how do you so confidently judge their ability to make that jump? I'd just like to know how you are so confident in another individual's "mental capacity." I'm not criticizing. I'm looking for clarity of your view/analysis.
That's a good point and id like to hear the take on that
I'm a teacher by trade. I've had well over 2,000 students pass through my class. It's my job to analyze students and assess their learning and understanding. I can sense plagiarism and phony answers a mile away. Two kids could give the same exact answers but I can tell that one kid understands what he's saying while the other kid is simply giving lip service. It's really more of an art than science.

If a player explains "why" in their answer more than "what", that's a good sign that they know what they are talking about.

EDIT: Just real quick I did a search of the number of times I said "Henderson" and "interviews" in the same post. 7 times total. I feel like I'm ragging on the kid now... :(. search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=23043
In short, it’s a personal expertise in “authenticity of knowledge” then. That’s a fair answer.
I feel I’m a good judge of calling when someone is bullshitting or in over their head, but I don’t do that on the regular like you do, so it isn’t something I can likely as reliably call via interview snips.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:43 pm

I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm I don’t own any part of this backfield but I remember reading Henderson was #1 in broken tackle percentage among RBs with 20+ carries. Every time I saw him play he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year- very explosive and efficient. The blown assignment thing is a red flag and he has to correct that this year to get any playing time, but his owners might be able to salvage something from him going forward.

I’m not a big fan of Akers but I think he ends up getting the bulk of the carries and Henderson is used in an Aaron Jones type role of maybe 10 touches a game. I can see Henderson being the primary receiving back, especially since the coach says he wants to use everyone and that is the most logical role for Henderson as far as I’m concerned. Some concerning flags so far, and drafting Akers isn’t a great vote of confidence, but I also don’t see it as a sign LA is moving away from Henderson all together.
The thing is, Henderson broke 7 tackles on 39 carries, so I’m not sure that sample size is enough to draw a meaningful conclusion. I’m also not sure about the utility of the stat in general. Ronald Jones and Damien Williams were among the league leaders (so were Kamara and Aaron Jones) while Barkley, Elliot, Cook, and Mixon were all average, and McCaffery had one of the worst marks in the league.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:00 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:43 pm
I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm I don’t own any part of this backfield but I remember reading Henderson was #1 in broken tackle percentage among RBs with 20+ carries. Every time I saw him play he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year- very explosive and efficient. The blown assignment thing is a red flag and he has to correct that this year to get any playing time, but his owners might be able to salvage something from him going forward.

I’m not a big fan of Akers but I think he ends up getting the bulk of the carries and Henderson is used in an Aaron Jones type role of maybe 10 touches a game. I can see Henderson being the primary receiving back, especially since the coach says he wants to use everyone and that is the most logical role for Henderson as far as I’m concerned. Some concerning flags so far, and drafting Akers isn’t a great vote of confidence, but I also don’t see it as a sign LA is moving away from Henderson all together.
The thing is, Henderson broke 7 tackles on 39 carries, so I’m not sure that sample size is enough to draw a meaningful conclusion. I’m also not sure about the utility of the stat in general. Ronald Jones and Damien Williams were among the league leaders (so were Kamara and Aaron Jones) while Barkley, Elliot, Cook, and Mixon were all average, and McCaffery had one of the worst marks in the league.
But David Montgomery was a leader in college 2 years ago, and Zach Moss led it last year in that category so.......oh wait.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby I-ROK » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:02 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:43 pm
I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm I don’t own any part of this backfield but I remember reading Henderson was #1 in broken tackle percentage among RBs with 20+ carries. Every time I saw him play he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year- very explosive and efficient. The blown assignment thing is a red flag and he has to correct that this year to get any playing time, but his owners might be able to salvage something from him going forward.

I’m not a big fan of Akers but I think he ends up getting the bulk of the carries and Henderson is used in an Aaron Jones type role of maybe 10 touches a game. I can see Henderson being the primary receiving back, especially since the coach says he wants to use everyone and that is the most logical role for Henderson as far as I’m concerned. Some concerning flags so far, and drafting Akers isn’t a great vote of confidence, but I also don’t see it as a sign LA is moving away from Henderson all together.
The thing is, Henderson broke 7 tackles on 39 carries, so I’m not sure that sample size is enough to draw a meaningful conclusion. I’m also not sure about the utility of the stat in general. Ronald Jones and Damien Williams were among the league leaders (so were Kamara and Aaron Jones) while Barkley, Elliot, Cook, and Mixon were all average, and McCaffery had one of the worst marks in the league.
Yeah I don’t put too much weight in it, I just found it interesting that he was actually fairly good in limited action on that. As I said, got no dog in this fight

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby ericanadian » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:04 pm

I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:02 pm
OhCruelestRanter wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:43 pm
I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm I don’t own any part of this backfield but I remember reading Henderson was #1 in broken tackle percentage among RBs with 20+ carries. Every time I saw him play he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year- very explosive and efficient. The blown assignment thing is a red flag and he has to correct that this year to get any playing time, but his owners might be able to salvage something from him going forward.

I’m not a big fan of Akers but I think he ends up getting the bulk of the carries and Henderson is used in an Aaron Jones type role of maybe 10 touches a game. I can see Henderson being the primary receiving back, especially since the coach says he wants to use everyone and that is the most logical role for Henderson as far as I’m concerned. Some concerning flags so far, and drafting Akers isn’t a great vote of confidence, but I also don’t see it as a sign LA is moving away from Henderson all together.
The thing is, Henderson broke 7 tackles on 39 carries, so I’m not sure that sample size is enough to draw a meaningful conclusion. I’m also not sure about the utility of the stat in general. Ronald Jones and Damien Williams were among the league leaders (so were Kamara and Aaron Jones) while Barkley, Elliot, Cook, and Mixon were all average, and McCaffery had one of the worst marks in the league.
Yeah I don’t put too much weight in it, I just found it interesting that he was actually fairly good in limited action on that. As I said, got no dog in this fight
A guy with Henderson’s profile should be making guys miss completely, not breaking tackles. At best, this is a neutral thing in that the line was so bad there was no holes for him to run through.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby TheNuts » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:39 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:00 pm
OhCruelestRanter wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:43 pm
I-ROK wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm I don’t own any part of this backfield but I remember reading Henderson was #1 in broken tackle percentage among RBs with 20+ carries. Every time I saw him play he reminded me of Aaron Jones during his first and second year- very explosive and efficient. The blown assignment thing is a red flag and he has to correct that this year to get any playing time, but his owners might be able to salvage something from him going forward.

I’m not a big fan of Akers but I think he ends up getting the bulk of the carries and Henderson is used in an Aaron Jones type role of maybe 10 touches a game. I can see Henderson being the primary receiving back, especially since the coach says he wants to use everyone and that is the most logical role for Henderson as far as I’m concerned. Some concerning flags so far, and drafting Akers isn’t a great vote of confidence, but I also don’t see it as a sign LA is moving away from Henderson all together.
The thing is, Henderson broke 7 tackles on 39 carries, so I’m not sure that sample size is enough to draw a meaningful conclusion. I’m also not sure about the utility of the stat in general. Ronald Jones and Damien Williams were among the league leaders (so were Kamara and Aaron Jones) while Barkley, Elliot, Cook, and Mixon were all average, and McCaffery had one of the worst marks in the league.
But David Montgomery was a leader in college 2 years ago, and Zach Moss led it last year in that category so.......oh wait.
Yeah the David Montgomery broken tackle stat was one of the most useless stats people were throwing around, and EVERYONE who liked him was throwing it around. Including lots of "experts". James Williams has 3 of the top 7 all time college missed tackles per touch ratios, and he is a complete nobody.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:35 am

Didn't see any discussion in the week 2 thread. Henderson played very well. Looked more dynamic than Brown or Akers and obviously benefits from their respective injuries.

Hoping against hope that he gets a legit opportunity.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby CGW » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:18 am

Last chance to sell Henderson!

Jokes aside, I got him super late in two drafts. Sold him off in one already. Would be nice if he has a few solid games with Akers out so I could flip him in the other. His 20 points hurt my rebuild though...
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Space Cowboy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am

Finally healthy and up to speed, let's hope it lasts.

He made a great sideline grab blowing past a LB and showed plenty of juice as a runner. His goalline carry was a thing of beauty that'd even make a 245 pound power back proud.

Side note Akers looked awful in week 1, who knows stranger things have happened. For now Darrell is a RB2.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:10 pm

Space Cowboy wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am Finally healthy and up to speed, let's hope it lasts.

He made a great sideline grab blowing past a LB and showed plenty of juice as a runner. His goalline carry was a thing of beauty that'd even make a 245 pound power back proud.

Side note Akers looked awful in week 1, who knows stranger things have happened. For now Darrell is a RB2.
Yeah I don’t think you can make anything close to a definitive statement on Henderson’s prospects, but Akers’ performance thus far shouldn’t keep Henderson on the bench if he can seize the moment
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby TheNuts » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:06 pm

Space Cowboy wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am Finally healthy and up to speed, let's hope it lasts.

He made a great sideline grab blowing past a LB and showed plenty of juice as a runner. His goalline carry was a thing of beauty that'd even make a 245 pound power back proud.

Side note Akers looked awful in week 1, who knows stranger things have happened. For now Darrell is a RB2.
Hmm. He was almost guaranteed by the community to be a stud. Way too early to tell either way, but I was very worried by his low ypc in college. He looked about as I expected, nothing special. Henderson on the other hand does have some special qualities. Hopefully he isnt too dumb to be relied upon
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby CGW » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:56 pm

TheNuts wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:06 pm
Space Cowboy wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am Finally healthy and up to speed, let's hope it lasts.

He made a great sideline grab blowing past a LB and showed plenty of juice as a runner. His goalline carry was a thing of beauty that'd even make a 245 pound power back proud.

Side note Akers looked awful in week 1, who knows stranger things have happened. For now Darrell is a RB2.
Hmm. He was almost guaranteed by the community to be a stud. Way too early to tell either way, but I was very worried by his low ypc in college. He looked about as I expected, nothing special. Henderson on the other hand does have some special qualities. Hopefully he isnt too dumb to be relied upon
There were plenty of us who faded Akers. Henderson probably won't end up taking over the role, but I bet Akers truther are a bit more nervous with both Brown and Henderson out performing him at the time being. Looks like a fun RBBC for a while.
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