Allen Robinson - The Forgotten Stud?

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

When do we start valuing him in that tier of young, productive WR's like Diggs, Godwin, Cooper, Golladay, Kupp, etc...?

Robinson is already there, no? I'd for sure take him over Diggs and Golladay, and Robinson is worth an early/mid 1st at least in most leagues.

[Pac_Eddy]

When do we start valuing him in that tier of young, productive WR's like Diggs, Godwin, Cooper, Golladay, Kupp, etc...?

Robinson is already there, no? I'd for sure take him over Diggs and Golladay, and Robinson is worth an early/mid 1st at least in most leagues.

I haven't gotten close to that value. The best offer I could get was a 2021 first + a 2020 second from the current best team in the league.

[nathanq42]

I think Arob has a stigma around him now, and he will almost always be more valuable on your team than in a trade

[Lumps]

I think Arob has a stigma around him now, and he will almost always be more valuable on your team than in a trade

I said just this to a friend that was seeking advice on trading him.

PFF pointed out that, think of what ARob has accomplished, and then think about these have been his QBs:

Bears: Trubisky and Chase Daniel
Jags: Bortles and Chad Henne
Penn State: Matt McGloin and Christian Hackenburg

[murphysxm]

PFF pointed out that, think of what ARob has accomplished, and then think about these have been his QBs:

Bears: Trubisky and Chase Daniel
Jags: Bortles and Chad Henne
Penn State: Matt McGloin and Christian Hackenburg

This can't be overstated. I honestly can't think of a WR that has done more with less in my lifetime.

[Maintain]

D Hopkins has a much longer list of crappy QB's that he's had success with.

[Pac_Eddy]

D Hopkins has a much longer list of crappy QB's that he's had success with.

Agreed. But no one is saying ARob is as good as Hopkins.

[stoneghost28]

Thanks for your thoughts. I guess I was just intent on presenting what happened from a reasonable perspective of what people would think as of this writing.

For Trade 1: I think I won that trade, and while some might disagree, Chark's less proven, if Chark is this, he's 3 years younger and hasn't entered his prime and already has 2 QB's better than AROB has ever had throwing to him. So to me that's a win, though I know more conservative dynasty players might be a touch more wait and see with Chark proving it over multiple years.

Trade 2: I think it's clear I won that. I got Fournette, and a 2nd for ARob and a 3rd. They're close in value, but finding RB's that produce top 10-15 #'s is harder than WR's that produce ARob #'s. I plan on flipping Fournette. I already have Mixon, Guice, Chubb and the 2020 1.05 to work with w/regards to that team and it's a QB-RB-WR-WR-TE-Flex-Flex league, so Fournette isn't essential. He's a trade piece to me.

Trade 3: I see your point there, I just think would view it right now as giving up a top 15 WR and a top 25 RB, for a bust (Davis) a later 1st and an unknown first. So it is at least superficially high risk.

That team is also a funny team, it's my one team w/a black cloud hanging cartoon style over it, just a never ending litany of trades blowing up in my face. Startup was in '16, I'm in year 4 w/no playoff births because of a serious of horror show trades, Hopkins for ARob, McCaffrey, for the '18 1.04 and something, Godwin for trash etc. It houses 3 of my top 5 worst trades in five years of playing. Last winter I decided to do a 2-3 year junk it rebuild, and just acquire picks for '19, '20 and '21 drafts.

In '19 I acquired the picks to grab Miles Sanders at 1.03, N'Keal Harry at 1.04, and AJ Brown at 1.08.
In '20 I have the 1.02, 1.05, and likely 1.08.
In '21 I have the 3 firsts belonging to teams currently picking at 1.01, 1.05, and 1.10

My core is:
QB: Streaming (Luck retired, and I've been rotating in waiver guys)
RB: N. Chubb, Miles Sanders, C. Edmonds, B. Love (I view him and Edmonds as core pieces because I think both could be huge values)
WR: Amari, DJ Chark, DJ Moore, Harry, AJ Brown, R. Anderson, C. Davis
TE: OJ Howard, Ian Thomas, G. Everett, J. Holister, and '19 prospects I loved (Warring, Josh Oliver)

You can probably tell I've built TE to be good by '20/'21, WR is almost there, RB needs two more pieces, and QB needs help. I didn't see the value in wasting Kerryon's 2019 and 2020 on a team that wouldn't be contending, and I didn't want ARob's year 26 and 27 seasones wasted the same way, so I figured I'd speculate on Davis (from the same perspective of you, get him as a throw in, hope the team that is the 1.08 sucked more than they ended up sucking (they were sixth in scoring and in potential points so I figured there was a chance they'd miss the playoffs, and give me a 1.06, if they lose in round 1, I get the 1.07 so it isn't too bad).

So from a building perspective, I like it, I think I should have a playoff team if I hit on my 1.02 and 1.05 in either '20 or '21, and the '21 picks could be really, really good. I just need to hit on RB w/those two picks.

Lastly, I definitely trust my drafting ability. I've done quite well in rookie drafts over the years, my '17 rookie drafts kind of were 1st round tuna net for Cook, Mixon, and McCaffrey (who I then idiotically traded away everywhere in '18). My '18 drafts I had the top 5 ranked: Barkley, Guice, Chubb, Penny, Michel, and I swept up a lot of all of them save for Penny. I then spent the '19 offseason offloading Michel everywhere, and buying Jones on the cheap (went from zero shares to 5 off super cheap trades). I managed to unload 4 of 5 Michel shares before the roof caved in this season as well. I typically used round 2 and 3 for speculative WR/TE/QB adds in both years. Since I didnt spend a lot of draft capital on TE's in startups, I tend to target them in good draft years, and try to stash them, which is damn hard since most aren't productive early, it's a strategy that is no longer relevant as my teams are typically chock full of '17 and '18 TE class pieces, and/or Kittle, so there's no reason to keep doing speculative adds (and '20 is a terrible class anyway).

Anyway, yeah, for sure, if there's one thing I think I do consistently well, it's rookie drafts. I've done a very good job of trading out of bad one's ('16), eschewing bad positional classes ('19 the only RB I targeted was Sanders), and hammering away at RB's I love, and value WR's that drop (Godwin, DJ Moore etc). I do have my misses like everyone else, but my problem tends to be trading away guys I hit on, rather than scouting the drafts themselves where I think I've been quite good, largely avoiding the early 1st round disappointments other than Michel.

[Generic Username]

PFF pointed out that, think of what ARob has accomplished, and then think about these have been his QBs:

Bears: Trubisky and Chase Daniel
Jags: Bortles and Chad Henne
Penn State: Matt McGloin and Christian Hackenburg

This can't be overstated. I honestly can't think of a WR that has done more with less in my lifetime.

Hopkins

[djeternal2]

PFF pointed out that, think of what ARob has accomplished, and then think about these have been his QBs:

Bears: Trubisky and Chase Daniel
Jags: Bortles and Chad Henne
Penn State: Matt McGloin and Christian Hackenburg

This can't be overstated. I honestly can't think of a WR that has done more with less in my lifetime.

Hopkins

I get the sentiment but Nuk had 1 year of Fitzpatrick, 1 yr of Hoyer, 1 yr of Brock Lobster, and then Watson. ARob had 3 yrs of Bortles/Henne & 2 years now of Trubs. Just want to point out I'm not saying ARob over Nuk as a talent just that he's dealt with crappier QB play for a longer time.

[AussieMate]

I'd be happy to have Fitzpatrick for just about any of my alpha style wrs like Sutton and Arob, but not for wrs like Cooper or Diggs

[htotheoza]

Arob was my first pick in our startup after his breakout season. I am still recovering from that pick along with many whiffs on those 2016 rookies. Finally feels like he is firmly back in the WR2 tier and I’ll be holding him for the foreseeable future.

[mild]

I sold him for what has become the 1.05 (but had a chance at the 1.01 going into the final week) for the team in my sig.

I'll miss him, but I'm ultimately higher on turning that pick into one of the top 3 RB's (or a WR if that's what's there) in my SF league, just for how my team is currently built (my WR's are great, my RB's could use 1 more stud)

[thebeast]

ARob is a WR1 now that he’s fully healed from his injury. This thread let me know to buy low everywhere.

[nathanq42]

ARob is a WR1 now that he’s fully healed from his injury. This thread let me know to buy low everywhere.

That's what I'm going to try to do... Going to be hard convincing my trade partner to take less back than he gave me for arob though...