Being "more talented" is really hard to quantify as it varies from person to person. I think he is probably the most dynamic runner, but that also concerns me because I have zero faith in him if his legs suddenly fail him. If the legs are the best part of your game then your expected shelf life is undoubtedly shortened. I'm not arguing whose star burned brightest, but these running QBs tend to have one astronomical year that ends up being an outlier. You say it isn't fair to compare him to past QBs, but I also don't think its fair to just ignore the career arc the majority of them had either.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:54 amIs he not more talented than the rest of the "rushing QBs" though? He just listed a bunch that were awful QB and couldn't hack it. Then there's Vick, who had lots of success but was an abysmal thrower. Lamar is already doing more than what Vick did. It doesn't seem fair to box him in with the old rushing QB standard.jenkins.math wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:52 amObviously you are firmly entrenched in your stance, but you are ignoring all the history and previous experiences of running QBs with a rebuttal of "he's Lamar Jackson"?!? Well I guess that settles that...Sriracha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:41 am
At the NFL level, the job of a QB is to win games.
You're trying to reduce Lamar to "running QB". He's not similar to running QBs like Vince Young, and Tim Tebow. He's Lamar Jackson, and the closest comparison we have to him is Michael Vick -- who was a perennial pro bowler with a 44 - 56% completion percentage as a Falcon. The level of speed, elusiveness and ability to throw on the run is just on a completely different level from the QBs you're trying to compare him to. No running QB has ever seen this level of success over a 30 game stretch.
People are free to have their reservations because they don't have a neat blue print to judge him against; but this assumption of failure based on incongruent comparisons is what I don't agree with.
This isn't to say I don't have questions about his talents as a thrower, but I think they are already better than the rushing QBs we've seen recently. Add on top of this, that he's winning games still! The only losses this year are to the SB defending Chiefs and the undefeated Steelers. Now, this is a concern for me... Can he win the big games, can he come from behind and win? That may always be a weakness, but regardless, he's great for fantasy.
I really do see people's concerns with the guy because of what they have to compare him to... But c'mon he's already proven to be better than who he's being compared to.
I honestly don't even know if Lamar is that much better than some of his predecessors vs how much more he has benefited because his team literally built and catered an entire offense around his running ability first and his passing second. None of those other running QBs had a system as helpful as Lamar has gotten. He benefited greatly last year from a brand new offense that the NFL hadn't dealt with. Ironically the team that slowed him down and laid the blueprint was the Titans, which was ripe with defensive coaches from the college ranks. The offense isn't near as effective this year and I think there is plenty of reasons. Yanda retiring hurt big time, teams having all offseason to pick up tendencies and tells, and I don't see much innovation from the offense from last year to this year. Now I don't know if that is covid related, personnel related, or Lamar struggling to handle additional things, but their offense last year was basic. Extremely effective, but very very basic. You can't just keep running a super basic offense at this level and continue having high levels of success.