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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:30 pm

Over the next 3 years, I'd take Lamar over Mahomes in fantasy. Long term, not. And I'm on record as saying not a single GM would draft Jackson over Mahomes if they could build a new roster and had the 1.01 pick.

None. Zero.

Why? Cuz what the Ravens have built is very special. Not sure it would be possible for another team to replicate it. Meanwhile you can stick Machines on any roster and he'll pass for 4,500 yards and 40 TDs.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Unicorn92 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:50 pm

Lamar is awesome but i do not expect for him to repeat this type of season the next few years. This type of efficiency is hard to replicate. Injuries risk are very high for him. We had already see runni'g qb and how injuries can affect their way to play the game. Right now i am still on the Mahomes side but notice how great Lamar is this year. If Lamar do it again next year so i will change my view
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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Vcize » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:17 pm

Cult of Dionysus wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:30 pm
Over the next 3 years, I'd take Lamar over Mahomes in fantasy. Long term, not. And I'm on record as saying not a single GM would draft Jackson over Mahomes if they could build a new roster and had the 1.01 pick.

None. Zero.

Why? Cuz what the Ravens have built is very special. Not sure it would be possible for another team to replicate it. Meanwhile you can stick Machines on any roster and he'll pass for 4,500 yards and 40 TDs.
Can you though? I mean the KC offense is perfect for him just like the Baltimore offense is perfect for Jackson. A great O-line to start, and pure burners at WR which make the most use of Mahomes' otherwordly arm strength. Tyreek Hill is basically the best possible receiver that Mahomes could have when talking about the combination of talent and fit.

And let's not forget that the scheme itself is pretty darned special. Remember this is the same team that made Alex Smith a pro bowl QB the year prior to Mahomes taking over. Mahomes is an insanely good quarterback, but let's not just gloss over the fact that he's in an insanely good situation as well.
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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby mild » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:45 am

Unicorn92 wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:50 pm
Lamar is awesome but i do not expect for him to repeat this type of season the next few years. This type of efficiency is hard to replicate. Injuries risk are very high for him. We had already see runni'g qb and how injuries can affect their way to play the game. Right now i am still on the Mahomes side but notice how great Lamar is this year. If Lamar do it again next year so i will change my view
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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Ice » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:52 am

Lamar will win MVP this season in a LANDSLIDE.

Breaks all time rushing record for a QB while tossing 5 TD’s for good measure.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby IR1 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:28 am

Have to admit, it's hard to watch him do this well. Traded him last offseason for Wilson as I thought he was the safer play (just lost Luck and Cam was injured).
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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:43 am

IR1 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:28 am
Have to admit, it's hard to watch him do this well. Traded him last offseason for Wilson as I thought he was the safer play (just lost Luck and Cam was injured).
I tried trading for Lamar earlier this year but the same owner said Russell was cheaper. Should've paid a little extra in hindsight
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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Paul717 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:55 am

I did this with some friends and thought it was fun:

Player A: 3,466 pass yards, 30 TD, 13 Ints on 58.3% completions with 118-942-5 TDs rushing.
Player B: 2,889 pass yards, 33 TD, 6 Ints on 66.2% completions with 159-1,103-7 TDs rushing.

Player B is Lamar's current 2019 season. (Absurd) Who is Player A?
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QB: Deshaun Watson, Tyrod Taylor
RB: Aaron Jones, Peyton Barber, DeAndre Washington, Jalen Richard, Trayveon Williams, Darrel Williams, Dare Ogunbowale, J.D. McKissic
WR: Calvin Ridley, A.J. Brown, Jamison Crowder, Emmanuel Sanders, James Washington, Zach Pascal, DaeSean Hamilton, Jakobi Meyers, Kendrick Bourne, Paul Richardson, Geronimo Allison, Antonio Brown :(
TE: T.J. Hockenson
K: Don't have one during the "offseason", my team missed playoffs in 2019 :(
Team DST: Lions

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2020: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd (Shrimp), 3rd (Harlem Hailmakers), 4th (Cookie Monsters), 5th (Smooth Doctors), 5th (Shrimp), 8th

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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 am

Paul717 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:55 am
I did this with some friends and thought it was fun:

Player A: 3,466 pass yards, 30 TD, 13 Ints on 58.3% completions with 118-942-5 TDs rushing.
Player B: 2,889 pass yards, 33 TD, 6 Ints on 66.2% completions with 159-1,103-7 TDs rushing.

Player B is Lamar's current 2019 season. (Absurd) Who is Player A?
Randall Cunningham, can't remember if it was '90 or '91

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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Paul717 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:12 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 am
Paul717 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:55 am
I did this with some friends and thought it was fun:

Player A: 3,466 pass yards, 30 TD, 13 Ints on 58.3% completions with 118-942-5 TDs rushing.
Player B: 2,889 pass yards, 33 TD, 6 Ints on 66.2% completions with 159-1,103-7 TDs rushing.

Player B is Lamar's current 2019 season. (Absurd) Who is Player A?
Randall Cunningham, can't remember if it was '90 or '91
Yes indeed, 1990. The season upon which his absurd Super Tecmo Bowl character was based! He was arguably a top 5 player in that game and easily the best 2 way QB in the game. Just thought it was interesting that Lamar will eclipse all of those stats easily except passing yards, perhaps. I'm too old to be a Madden Player but I imagine Lamar Jackson will be fun to play with when the next iteration comes out.
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QB: Deshaun Watson, Tyrod Taylor
RB: Aaron Jones, Peyton Barber, DeAndre Washington, Jalen Richard, Trayveon Williams, Darrel Williams, Dare Ogunbowale, J.D. McKissic
WR: Calvin Ridley, A.J. Brown, Jamison Crowder, Emmanuel Sanders, James Washington, Zach Pascal, DaeSean Hamilton, Jakobi Meyers, Kendrick Bourne, Paul Richardson, Geronimo Allison, Antonio Brown :(
TE: T.J. Hockenson
K: Don't have one during the "offseason", my team missed playoffs in 2019 :(
Team DST: Lions

Picks:
2020: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd (Shrimp), 3rd (Harlem Hailmakers), 4th (Cookie Monsters), 5th (Smooth Doctors), 5th (Shrimp), 8th

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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:26 am

They update players ratings throughout the year on Madden now. I don't know Lamar's overall rating, but I know he was just made the fastest QB ever in the game over Vick, and Vick is more upset about that than losing the rushing record lol.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:15 am

mild wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:45 am
Unicorn92 wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:50 pm
Lamar is awesome but i do not expect for him to repeat this type of season the next few years. This type of efficiency is hard to replicate. Injuries risk are very high for him. We had already see runni'g qb and how injuries can affect their way to play the game. Right now i am still on the Mahomes side but notice how great Lamar is this year. If Lamar do it again next year so i will change my view
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Some people want to assume what is happening now will happen for a long period of time. What is right in front of them is a QB playing amazing football while running the ball more than a QB ever has. Nobody knows the long term outcome, once can only make an educated guess.
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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:03 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:26 am
They update players ratings throughout the year on Madden now. I don't know Lamar's overall rating, but I know he was just made the fastest QB ever in the game over Vick, and Vick is more upset about that than losing the rushing record lol.
It's weird because I thought Vick had a 99 speed rating when he was on the cover and Lamar just got bumped to 96 or something... Who knows. Madden Ultimate Team releases cards with Speed ratings over 100 and the game is broken anyway so what's it matter really? Haha
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WR: Tyreek, Julio, DJM, Hollywood, Cooks, C. Davis, Preston, Parris, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

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QB: Dak, Ryan, Foles, Minshew, Cam
RB: CMC, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, J. Samuels, J. Jackson, Gaskin
WR: DJM, Mike Will, Hollywood, Deebo, Diontae, C. Davis, Lazard, Parris, MVS, AB
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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:05 am

And Randall Cunningham went on to dominate the league for years to come, won multiple MVPs and Super Bowls and is now enshrined.

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Re: Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

Postby Weknownothing86 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:21 am

Mahomes and Lamar are both great let me start out by saying that. But I just don’t understand why people are so afraid to hop on board the Lamar train and doubt him yet they were so ready to say “Mahomes is the best QB of all time, he can throw 60 TDS in 2020”. I was one of the minority who doubted Mahomes, I was wrong. Some people need to just stop hanging onto the Lamar isn’t this good opinion. He is this good, and his TD pace is definitely doable for multiple years unlike Mahomes last year. Lamar can throw between 35-40 tds every year and rush for around 10, Mahomes won’t throw 50 again. Not because he is a bad player but because it is an extremely difficult thing to do. Brady and Manning only had one 50 TD season. Lamar also has the higher floor due to the rushing, let’s not forget that. I also have a question, people keep talking about how Lamar won’t do this for 10-15 years but Mahomes can, does anyone really keep a player on their roster for that long? I’m sure a minority do but I’d say most don’t
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