Lamar Jackson is the best QB in the NFL & Fantasy

[Jigga94]

Running QBs always makes me worry. It only takes one leg injury to relegate him to that of a pocket passer. Cam Newton did great for 8 seasons but now what? Teddy Bridgewater with a leg injury. Deshaun Watson with a leg injury. RG3... if he was ever any good to begin with.

Russell Wilson is not a running QB. He is a pocket passer that sometimes has to scramble when forced to. That's the kind of QB I like. Lamar has plays designed specifically for him to run. That's scary to me.

But damn... if he can stay healthy, this guy is the guy I want in my lineup every week... I'm fighting with myself internally.

what about when he ran into brockers? he got jacked up and got dumped into the ground. he got straight back up but one day a defender is gonna get him good and proper. it's inevitable. there are no such things as old running qbs.

What about Watson getting sacked behind that bad OL? Those hits look worse to me and they are usually unexpected. Not to mention he's the one that's already dealt with injuries. Hell, Luck just retired due to injury and he wasn't a rushing QB.

Not saying it can't happen to Lamar, but this is football lol. The fact that injury concern is his only negative right now should tell you A LOT. Dudes the MVP as of right now and his starting numbers are insane. Enjoy it a little bit

[Cult of Dionysus]

I bought LJ about 4 weeks ago in a 16 team single QB PPR league for

Darnold
Hockenson
Darel Henderson and
A late 2020 1st

Pretty happy with that trade as LJ is helping me with a championship push.

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

all i know is the nfl adapts. the ravens are having their way with these lighter fronts of opposing teams geared up to stop the pass. teams will begin to mold their teams to stop the run. that's when we'll find out about lamar jackson.

look at what's happened to wentz and goff. it's up to their teams to reinvent themselves offensively because what they're doing now isn't working anymore.

[MEuRaH]

I bought LJ about 4 weeks ago in a 16 team single QB PPR league for

Darnold
Hockenson
Darel Henderson and
A late 2020 1st

Pretty happy with that trade as LJ is helping me with a championship push.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

all i know is the nfl adapts. the ravens are having their way with these lighter fronts of opposing teams geared up to stop the pass. teams will begin to mold their teams to stop the run. that's when we'll find out about lamar jackson.

look at what's happened to wentz and goff. it's up to their teams to reinvent themselves offensively because what they're doing now isn't working anymore.

I agree. My first time watching a full Ravens game last night and it was impressive but it doesn't look like they reinvented the wheel. There's a lot of things I have questions about, like how they'll play in "catch-up" mode if they're not playing with a lead, how they'll respond if Lamar gets nicked up or injured, or how they'll play if a defense is simply good enough to stuff the run. I suspect the current iteration of the Ravens offense is not going to work forever, so I look forward to seeing how it evolves. To his credit, Lamar looked pretty sharp on the short-intermediate throws I saw him execute. I fell asleep at halftime .

[Forza_Azzurri]

No doubt Jackson is amazing and much better passer than anyone expected ... but people are deluding themselves to think he can keep up this usage level running the ball. He took a lot of hits last night. That’ll eventually catch up to him. Hopefully he continues to develop as a passer, but right now I’d definitely keep Mahomes at QB1 in front of him. Much better odds Mahomes can sustain his play &value longer than Jackson.

[joeya2001]

No doubt Jackson is amazing and much better passer than anyone expected ... but people are deluding themselves to think he can keep up this usage level running the ball. He took a lot of hits last night. That’ll eventually catch up to him. Hopefully he continues to develop as a passer, but right now I’d definitely keep Mahomes at QB1 in front of him. Much better odds Mahomes can sustain his play &value longer than Jackson.

Yea he did, ive watched all his games this year because I actually like the guy a lot outside FF. They should of took him out before that 5th TD. I think he wanted it personally that's why they didn't take him out. He needs to slide a little more as well. Rams were starting to target his legs which was scaring me.

[thebeast]

If they dispersed the whole league and started to draft all players again there is no doubt he would be picked 1.01 by all teams.

This is the dumbest and most wrong thing that has ever been said in this forum.

Even the Ravens would take Mahomes.

I’m ok with you thinking that, but that doesn’t make it so. This will be interesting to revisit in a few years.

[Cult of Dionysus]

I will also say this. Lamar Jackson stepped I to a perfect situation, with a team that has an amazing defense, has schemed around his strengths and weaknesses and has a very good RB in Ingram. I think the team will flatter and hide some of his weaknesses for quite a while.

Last post season, when the offense had fewer weapons, he got his butt SHUT DOWN. It will be harder for teams to do that to my fwd as the Ravens have more dangerous WRs and a heck of an RB. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots or the 49ers (in a potential Super Bowl matchup) shut down Jackson.

Like I said, I own him and want him to do well. But I've also watched a few of his games, and he can make easy throws and deep throws, but he struggles with NFL throws from the pocket. A team with a good d-line and fast linebackers should be able to contain him and force him to throw with pressure. Let's see what happens when he faces that.

[lukkynumber13]

all i know is the nfl adapts. the ravens are having their way with these lighter fronts of opposing teams geared up to stop the pass. teams will begin to mold their teams to stop the run. that's when we'll find out about lamar jackson.

look at what's happened to wentz and goff. it's up to their teams to reinvent themselves offensively because what they're doing now isn't working anymore.

I agree. My first time watching a full Ravens game last night and it was impressive but it doesn't look like they reinvented the wheel. There's a lot of things I have questions about, like how they'll play in "catch-up" mode if they're not playing with a lead, how they'll respond if Lamar gets nicked up or injured, or how they'll play if a defense is simply good enough to stuff the run. I suspect the current iteration of the Ravens offense is not going to work forever, so I look forward to seeing how it evolves. To his credit, Lamar looked pretty sharp on the short-intermediate throws I saw him execute. I fell asleep at halftime .

Very good point. Lamar has a strong arm but that doesn't mean he is a great deep-ball passer or even a great passer overall. He has developed into a good passer, but he hasn't faced much adversity in that way this year. Brissett also looked like he had become a great passer after a few weeks this year, but then he got exposed as someone who is much more of a game-manager in the Alex Smith mode. OBVIOUSLY, I am not comparing them as quarterbacks, but as passers of the football right now in their careers, I believe they have similar talent.

When they're down 42-31 in the super bowl, I'm interested to see what the offense looks like (hopefully more Hollywood and Andrews!)

[DinoDynasty]

Mahomes vs Lamar is like asking would you rather have a younger Rodgers in his prime or Vick. There's arguments for both sides in fantasy but I think most front offices would opt for Rodgers.

But let's all just be happy that for once the Patriots missed on their scouting reports and didn't draft Lamar 31st overall.

[lukkynumber13]

No doubt Jackson is amazing and much better passer than anyone expected ... but people are deluding themselves to think he can keep up this usage level running the ball. He took a lot of hits last night. That’ll eventually catch up to him. Hopefully he continues to develop as a passer, but right now I’d definitely keep Mahomes at QB1 in front of him. Much better odds Mahomes can sustain his play &value longer than Jackson.

Very well said. I sincerely hope he doesn't learn his lesson the HARD way, about sliding at the end of runs.

[lukkynumber13]

I will also say this. Lamar Jackson stepped I to a perfect situation, with a team that has an amazing defense, has schemed around his strengths and weaknesses and has a very good RB in Ingram. I think the team will flatter and hide some of his weaknesses for quite a while.

Last post season, when the offense had fewer weapons, he got his butt SHUT DOWN. It will be harder for teams to do that to my fwd as the Ravens have more dangerous WRs and a heck of an RB. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots or the 49ers (in a potential Super Bowl matchup) shut down Jackson.

Like I said, I own him and want him to do well. But I've also watched a few of his games, and he can make easy throws and deep throws, but he struggles with NFL throws from the pocket. A team with a good d-line and fast linebackers should be able to contain him and force him to throw with pressure. Let's see what happens when he faces that.

Sounds like the 49ers next week! Bosa & Buckner up front, Warner in the middle, and a solid secondary behind.

I really hope they flex that game out of the AM schedule, if that's a possibility.

[Jigga94]

I will also say this. Lamar Jackson stepped I to a perfect situation, with a team that has an amazing defense, has schemed around his strengths and weaknesses and has a very good RB in Ingram. I think the team will flatter and hide some of his weaknesses for quite a while.

Last post season, when the offense had fewer weapons, he got his butt SHUT DOWN. It will be harder for teams to do that to my fwd as the Ravens have more dangerous WRs and a heck of an RB. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots or the 49ers (in a potential Super Bowl matchup) shut down Jackson.

Like I said, I own him and want him to do well. But I've also watched a few of his games, and he can make easy throws and deep throws, but he struggles with NFL throws from the pocket. A team with a good d-line and fast linebackers should be able to contain him and force him to throw with pressure. Let's see what happens when he faces that.

Sounds like the 49ers next week! Bosa & Buckner up front, Warner in the middle, and a solid secondary behind.

I really hope they flex that game out of the AM schedule, if that's a possibility.

Was thinking they might but with Houston/NE at night already, I doubt they do

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

Redraft leagues: Jackson > Mahomes
Jackson in this iteration of BAL's offense is incredibly difficult to stop. If you sell out to stop him from running, he'll gash you on slants or deep throws. If you don't load up the box, he'll just run for first downs until you do. Plus, rushing production > passing production in most fantasy scoring formats, especially in 4 pt passing TD formats.


Dynasty formats: Mahomes >= Jackson
Jackson is a dynamic runner, but Mahomes has speed and mobility. The difference is that BAL is happy to draw up a ton of designed run plays and/or let him loose. On the other hand, while Jackson has proven that he can absolutely be a pocket passer and has a great arm, Mahomes is still better at reading the field and making those incredible throws. Long-term, yes all injuries are unpredictable, but at some point, the sheer volume of runs by Jackson exposes him to a greater risk of injury.


Real life NFL: Mahomes > Jackson
If you don't think that every single NFL team would draft Mahomes over Jackson, I'm not sure how to explain it to you that you're wrong. Greg Roman has been incredible at adapting the offense to Jackson's strengths and capitalizing on his running ability, but in terms of pure QB talent, Mahomes > Jackson. Mahomes is Aaron Rodgers in his prime as a passer and has 75% of Jackson's mobility and rushing upside. The way he reads the field, keeps plays alive, and makes incredible throws is unparalleled. If he stays healthy, Mahomes has a chance to go down in history as the greatest QB of all time, and I say that as a huge Brady fan.