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Re: DJ Moore

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:11 am

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There have been a bunch of missed/poorly thrown balls to Moore, too...including at least two in the end zone.
And that hospital ball on that failed 2 point conversion this last week that almost got Moore's arm broken.
Yep. I'm sure you could do cut ups of a lot of players who actually produce a lot and show how they could be doing even better. I know Ryan misses Julio, and he still puts up insane numbers. Not saying Samuel isn't a decent player, but it's the same thing with someone like Corey Davis. Show me some cut ups of him being open doesn't make his a better player. DJ Moore is clearly the top dog in Carolina, and I don't know why anyone thought differently going into the year. Samuel is an important part of that offense, however. I just think the idea he was going to be the top receiver was a bit misguided.
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby Servo » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:40 pm

Samuel is almost a WR2 in Standard, WR3 in PPR....I don't think many were "touting" Samuel as the true alpha but it wasn't farfetched to believe that he could have had a better season than where he currently is.
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby Bot101 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:32 pm

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Samuel is almost a WR2 in Standard, WR3 in PPR....I don't think many were "touting" Samuel as the true alpha but it wasn't farfetched to believe that he could have had a better season than where he currently is.
Many (including high profile people on Twitter and podcasts) were touting Samuel as the 1A all off season, whom could be had 4 rounds later than Moore. I heard and read it nearly everywhere.

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Re: DJ Moore

Postby IZigUZag » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:41 pm

Bot101 wrote:
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:40 pm
Samuel is almost a WR2 in Standard, WR3 in PPR....I don't think many were "touting" Samuel as the true alpha but it wasn't farfetched to believe that he could have had a better season than where he currently is.
Many (including high profile people on Twitter and podcasts) were touting Samuel as the 1A all off season, whom could be had 4 rounds later than Moore. I heard and read it nearly everywhere.
I also vividly remember this.

Film guys did not like Moore's route running, and ability to beat press coverage. But Moore was just such a great talent from an analytical perspective all of that criticism was a bit silly.

This is exactly why N'keal Harry is a buy in fantasy... his detractors are spouting the same criticisms despite his elite analytical profile.

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Re: DJ Moore

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:26 pm

Samuel was maybe the most hyped guy of the offseason, especially during training camp, in the league. Outside of the immortal Darrell Henderson of course.

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Re: DJ Moore

Postby Jigga94 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:37 pm

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Samuel was maybe the most hyped guy of the offseason, especially during training camp, in the league. Outside of the immortal Darrell Henderson of course.
Godwin had a ton too, but it almost seems like there wasn't enough for him
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby kmbryant09 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:19 pm

I think the thing with Moore / Samuel and the missed opportunities / throws is how they are both utilized. Similar to the Evans / Godwin roles in Tampa (although they don't line up similarly), Moore wins on short / intermediate routes mostly over the middle of the field, while Samuel continues to beat defenders over the top.

Kyle Allen, and nearly every single NFL QB (starting or backup) can hit a high percentage of throws within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. But there's only about a dozen NFL QBs that can be consistently accurate down the field.

So Moore's game & production aren't really affected by the poor QB play that Carolina has been handcuffed with. Meanwhile, Samuel's game & production have been negatively affected by the poor QB play.

That's not to say Moore can't continue his success if / when Carolina finds their next franchise QB - I think he's a phenomenal player that displays short-area burst and tremendous YAC ability that should translate regardless of his QB and offensive system.
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby PR0v3 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:18 pm

kmbryant09 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:19 pm
I think the thing with Moore / Samuel and the missed opportunities / throws is how they are both utilized. Similar to the Evans / Godwin roles in Tampa (although they don't line up similarly), Moore wins on short / intermediate routes mostly over the middle of the field, while Samuel continues to beat defenders over the top.

Kyle Allen, and nearly every single NFL QB (starting or backup) can hit a high percentage of throws within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. But there's only about a dozen NFL QBs that can be consistently accurate down the field.

So Moore's game & production aren't really affected by the poor QB play that Carolina has been handcuffed with. Meanwhile, Samuel's game & production have been negatively affected by the poor QB play.

That's not to say Moore can't continue his success if / when Carolina finds their next franchise QB - I think he's a phenomenal player that displays short-area burst and tremendous YAC ability that should translate regardless of his QB and offensive system.
Yea I haven’t paid much attention to Moore, but if anything this season has taught me, it’s that Samuel is a legitimate player. His beaten-man:accurate target ratio is off the charts high this year.
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:46 pm

kmbryant09 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:19 pm
I think the thing with Moore / Samuel and the missed opportunities / throws is how they are both utilized. Similar to the Evans / Godwin roles in Tampa (although they don't line up similarly), Moore wins on short / intermediate routes mostly over the middle of the field, while Samuel continues to beat defenders over the top.

Kyle Allen, and nearly every single NFL QB (starting or backup) can hit a high percentage of throws within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. But there's only about a dozen NFL QBs that can be consistently accurate down the field.

So Moore's game & production aren't really affected by the poor QB play that Carolina has been handcuffed with. Meanwhile, Samuel's game & production have been negatively affected by the poor QB play.

That's not to say Moore can't continue his success if / when Carolina finds their next franchise QB - I think he's a phenomenal player that displays short-area burst and tremendous YAC ability that should translate regardless of his QB and offensive system.
That, and the fact DJ Moore is a better all round player. Moore got over the top this weekend for a long TD, too. I like Samuel, he's a decent WR, runs some nice routes, and can make some splash plays, but I never understood why people thought he was going to outproduce DJ Moore this year.
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby hoos89 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:13 am

The TD regression is real!
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby Bot101 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:34 pm

Currently on pace for 99 receptions, 1300+ yards and 5 TDs... with a backup QB who throws a few hospital balls every week.

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Re: DJ Moore

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:43 pm

Bot101 wrote:
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Currently on pace for 99 receptions, 1300+ yards and 5 TDs... with a backup QB who throws a few hospital balls every week.
Not bad for the 2nd best WR on the team.
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:24 pm

Bot101 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:34 pm
Currently on pace for 99 receptions, 1300+ yards and 5 TDs... with a backup QB who throws a few hospital balls every week.
Honestly think he's better off without Cam...
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:27 pm

Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:24 pm
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:34 pm
Currently on pace for 99 receptions, 1300+ yards and 5 TDs... with a backup QB who throws a few hospital balls every week.
Honestly think he's better off without Cam...
I agree. Running QB, what do you expect? :wink: In all seriousness, though. I actually do agree.
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Re: DJ Moore

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:38 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:27 pm
Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:24 pm
Bot101 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:34 pm
Currently on pace for 99 receptions, 1300+ yards and 5 TDs... with a backup QB who throws a few hospital balls every week.
Honestly think he's better off without Cam...
I agree. Running QB, what do you expect? :wink: In all seriousness, though. I actually do agree.
Hahaha... I'd like to see the splits from last year. Cam vs no Cam... I'd bet DJM's numbers are close, if not in favor of no Cam. (Obviously this year there's not much to split)
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