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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:17 am

Last thing I'll throw out I agree with some of the guys on First Take this morning. If that helmet is turned just a little bit different and he hits him with the crown of the helmet, this man who just had a concussion has his head split open or is even just knocked out on the field. This man never plays another down of football again in his life and they'd be talking about how much prison time he was going to serve this morning
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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby killer_of_giants » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:20 am

JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:17 am
If that helmet is turned just a little bit different and he hits him with the crown of the helmet...
and if my aunty had bollocks...

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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:21 am

Rudolph's representation is already saying that legal action against Garrett is possible, if it had resulted in something truly bad it would have been an almost certainty. That was assault with a deadly weapon, and being on a football field does not give license for something like that.

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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby jenkins.math » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:26 am

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Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:13 am
Ya, Rudolph is certainly not without fault in this, but Garrett escalated it to an extreme and absolutely unacceptable level. That could have ended up FAR worse.
This is the part I disagree with. The initial hit by Garrett is a hit we see weekly at every level of football. Was it late/unnecessary considering the time remaining and score? Sure, but nothing to see there. Rudolph takes exception and tries to put Garrett in a headlock and Garrett then grabs Rudolph's face mask. Again how often do we see 2 guys get into it grabbing each other's helmets? That isn't uncommon and also happens with regularity. Flags are thrown and we move on.

The escalation to me happened when Rudolph cleats Garrett in the nuts and then runs up on Garrett after the helmet is off. Obviously we are talking semantics I suppose, but Garrett's "response" was extreme and absolutely unacceptable. Rudolph is the one that continued to escalate it to an extreme and absolutely unacceptable level.

I'm a fan of neither team and I don't feel any type of way towards either organization but I do hope Rudolph is punished for his involvement here.
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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:30 am

Garrett used a helmet as a weapon against Rudolph's exposed and unprotected head.... fights happen in the NFL, and I acknowledged Rudolph absolutely carries some blame, but Garrett's actions were well over the line.

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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby Goddard » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:30 am

I can't believe there are people trying to defend or rationalize what Garrett did...

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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby Phaded » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:33 am

BigJoeWall72 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:57 am
Phaded wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:26 am
He deserved to get the bleep kicked out of him for being a little bitch, Garrett's retaliation was in the heat of the moment and excessive, true - but Mason deserved that. Garrett had three guys in his face after a punk young QB was taking cheap shots at him.
I'm sorry, what? Am I reading that correctly that you think Rudolph deserved to have a heavy object swung at his exposed head on a football field? Because that's how that reads... What in the world? That literally could have inflicted permanent brain damage or worse if it was twisted a little different or hit him in a little different spot...

That's... the worst take ever on this website?
Perhaps my choice of words was in the incorrect order. Let me rephrase: Rudolph deserved to get roughed up, and the retaliation in itself was called for - but the actions from Garrett were excessive them self. In other words, if Garrett had punched Rudolph in the face - I felt that would have been more appropriate (and fully deserved) although people probably still would have lost their minds.

Also - how is Rudolph not getting suspended?
Oh right - he's a quarterback.
Serious question, has a quarterback ever been suspended for on-field conduct?
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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby jenkins.math » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:33 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:30 am
Garrett used a helmet as a weapon against Rudolph's exposed and unprotected head.... fights happen in the NFL, and I acknowledged Rudolph absolutely carries some blame, but Garrett's actions were well over the line.
Then we agree. I just think Rudolph is skating by on this and not taking any sort of heat for his involvement.
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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby Lumps » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:39 am

Phaded wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:33 am
BigJoeWall72 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:57 am
Phaded wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:26 am
He deserved to get the bleep kicked out of him for being a little bitch, Garrett's retaliation was in the heat of the moment and excessive, true - but Mason deserved that. Garrett had three guys in his face after a punk young QB was taking cheap shots at him.
I'm sorry, what? Am I reading that correctly that you think Rudolph deserved to have a heavy object swung at his exposed head on a football field? Because that's how that reads... What in the world? That literally could have inflicted permanent brain damage or worse if it was twisted a little different or hit him in a little different spot...

That's... the worst take ever on this website?
Perhaps my choice of words was in the incorrect order. Let me rephrase: Rudolph deserved to get roughed up, and the retaliation in itself was called for - but the actions from Garrett were excessive them self. In other words, if Garrett had punched Rudolph in the face - I felt that would have been more appropriate (and fully deserved) although people probably still would have lost their minds.

Also - how is Rudolph not getting suspended?
Oh right - he's a quarterback.
Serious question, has a quarterback ever been suspended for on-field conduct?
I can't think of one, and you're right. The initial stuff by Rudolph deserves nothing. It's what we see all the time. The other stuff, well...
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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:58 am

I'm fine with 0 suspension for Rudolph. He was already punished enough with an inaccurate arm and piss poor decision making
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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby Blueboy » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:05 am

Damarius Randall expected to avoid a suspension for that helmet-to-helmet hit.

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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby killer_of_giants » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:06 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:26 am
Again how often do we see 2 guys get into it grabbing each other's helmets?
well that depends on the amount of gay porn everyone watches...

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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:14 am

killer_of_giants wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:20 am
JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:17 am
If that helmet is turned just a little bit different and he hits him with the crown of the helmet...
and if my aunty had bollocks...
That doesn't really apply here though, as it's not like Garrett aimed the helmet in a way to hit Rudolph with the "soft" side. Garrett (and Rudolph) just got very, very lucky that the hit didn't turn out to be as bad as it could have easily been, which doesn't make the outcome any less serious.
It just means he's not facing jail time.
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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby killer_of_giants » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:20 am

qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:14 am
killer_of_giants wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:20 am
JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:17 am
If that helmet is turned just a little bit different and he hits him with the crown of the helmet...
and if my aunty had bollocks...
That doesn't really apply here though, as it's not like Garrett aimed the helmet in a way to hit Rudolph with the "soft" side.
it's not like my auntie decided to be born without a ballsack either, what's your point?

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Re: Week 11 Discussion

Postby qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:43 am

killer_of_giants wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:20 am
qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:14 am
killer_of_giants wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:20 am


and if my aunty had bollocks...
That doesn't really apply here though, as it's not like Garrett aimed the helmet in a way to hit Rudolph with the "soft" side.
it's not like my auntie decided to be born without a ballsack either, what's your point?
Point is Garrett tried to hurt another player with what counts as a weapon and was punished as such (and might be charged outside the game as well). Whether or not he actually caused a skull fracture or - as in this case - just a minor bruise is irrelevant, as the intent was the same.
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