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Re: Sony Michel

Postby Pac_Eddy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:58 am

He is what he is: a one dimensional starting RB on a high scoring team. Without the receiving chops, he has a weekly low floor. But the main between the tackles guy on a high scoring team, he has a weekly high ceiling. The Pats have him cheap for two more seasons with a team option for the third, so that's in his favor.

I'm not surprised that Damien Harris hasn't played yet, but I'd expect something next year. Hard to say how he'll be used but something will happen if they move on from James White and/or Rex Burkhead and/or Brandon Bolden.

I put Michel at a mid first round value, maybe a mid first + something. I'd rather have a top four rookie pick.
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Re: Sony Michel

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:16 am

I’d rather have at least 5 rookie RB (Swift, Taylor, Etienne, Dobbins, Harris) and at least 4 rookie WR (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs, Higgins) over Michel. I’m not sure I’d even give up a low 2nd for him.

16 Team PPR | QB (1) RB (2-4) WR (2-5) TE (1-2) K (1) | DT (1-2) DE (2-4) LB (2-5) CB (3-6) S (2-5)

|QB| R. Wilson, J. Allen, D. Carr, D. Lock, E. Stick (taxi)
|RB| A. Kamara, J. Jacobs, J. Mixon, L. Murray, R. Anderson (IR)
|WR| C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, D.K. Metcalf, M. Gallup, , J. Ross, Da. Moore
|TE| J. Hollister, M. Gesicki, K. Rudolph, T. Eifert, I. Thomas, M. LaCosse, R. Gronkowski
|K| B. Maher
|DT| S. Richardson, Q. Williams, T. Bryan, T. Hill (taxi)
|DE| J. Clowney, Y. Ngakoue, J. Pierre-Paul, D. Barnett, T. Charlton, E. Ansah, A. Key (IR), J. Sweat (taxi)
|LB| L. Vander Esch, D. Trevathan, C. Holcomb, N. Gerry, M. Kendricks, S. Dion Hamilton, S. Ebukam, T.J. Edwards, M. Jefferson, V. Joseph (IR), R. Foster (IR), K. Beckwith (IR), D. Cole (IR), S. Eguavoen (taxi)
|CB| S. Gilmore, M. Peters, D. Trufant, G. Conley, B. Jones, G. Haley
|S| M. Fitzpatrick, T. Walker, X. Woods, E. Thomas, E. Murray
|2020 PICKS| #1.03, 1.12, 3.02 & 6.15
|2021 PICKS| #1, #2, #3

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:27 am

I think mid 1st is over valuing but low 2nd? Cmon, he's a good player. I doubt the pats ever use him more than they are now but Im not selling low just to get rid of him
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Mostert, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
WR: Tyreek, Julio, DJM, Hollywood, Cooks, C. Davis, Preston, Parris, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Dak, Ryan, Foles, Minshew, Cam
RB: CMC, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, J. Samuels, J. Jackson, Gaskin
WR: DJM, Mike Will, Hollywood, Deebo, Diontae, C. Davis, Lazard, Parris, MVS, AB
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Jonnu, Thomas
2020: 1.09, 2.02, 2.05
2021: 1, 1, 2, 3

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby dynastyninja » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 am

Michel is a tough one to me. I like the talent, but the production isn't superb. An encouraging sign is how important he was to NE in the playoffs last year, though, so maybe the Pats are just coasting and will rely on him again during the playoffs.

Either way, not great for fantasy. It's too bad he's stuck in New England for a few more years. Maybe the low YPC is his fault, maybe it isn't. We probably won't get the chance to truly find out.

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby Ray Finkle » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:56 am

I drafted him and own him in NonPPR even and I don’t think he’s worth a 2020 mid first. I actually think dude is talented but watching 2 yard runs again and again is painful. Then it feels like every time Burkhead or White touch the ball, it’s a chunk play.

Like most people I’ve sworn off New England RBs many times but in my experience they can always be had at such a “bargain” because all of my league mates feel the same way. So, I always get suckered into them.

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby Pac_Eddy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am

FYI - DLF trade analyzer has Michel worth a hair more than a 2020 mid first. We all have different player values & that's good. It's hard to find an RB getting his volume, even if he's not very efficient. He's shown the ability to explode. Just watch last year's playoffs.
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Re: Sony Michel

Postby Ray Finkle » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am
FYI - DLF trade analyzer has Michel worth a hair more than a 2020 mid first. We all have different player values & that's good. It's hard to find an RB getting his volume, even if he's not very efficient. He's show the ability to explode. Just watch last year's playoffs.
Very rational post and those are the reasons he’ll remain on my roster. Just sucks having a RB who gets 15+ carries per game, has a respectable 7 tds on the season and it still hurts to put him in my starting lineup.

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:11 am

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am
FYI - DLF trade analyzer has Michel worth a hair more than a 2020 mid first. We all have different player values & that's good. It's hard to find an RB getting his volume, even if he's not very efficient. He's show the ability to explode. Just watch last year's playoffs.
Nice. Well I'll let you know when a leaguemate is ready to give me any 1st for him
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Mostert, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
WR: Tyreek, Julio, DJM, Hollywood, Cooks, C. Davis, Preston, Parris, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - 20 Keepers
QB: Dak, Ryan, Foles, Minshew, Cam
RB: CMC, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, J. Samuels, J. Jackson, Gaskin
WR: DJM, Mike Will, Hollywood, Deebo, Diontae, C. Davis, Lazard, Parris, MVS, AB
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Jonnu, Thomas
2020: 1.09, 2.02, 2.05
2021: 1, 1, 2, 3

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:58 am

I just don't get it I don't watch college really and I rely on reading "expert" analysis but out of college it was supposed to be Chubb that had 0 3rd down ability and Michel was supposed to be the pass catcher. Strange not like Chubb is an elite down field weapon but Michel doesn't even get the chance
12 Team PPR (PPR- QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, D, K)
QB- Winston
RB- Barkely, Cook, AP
WR- K. Allen, Hill, Diggs, Golladay, DJ Moore, Shepard, Enunwa, Callaway, Chark
TE- Kelce, Gesicki

10 Team .5 PPR. QB Premium. Added Big Play Points (QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 FLEX (non qb), D, K)
QB- Brees, Mayfield, Prescott
RB- Barkley, Cook, Dixon, I. Smith
WR- OBJ, D. Adams, Evans, B. Cooks, Kupp, C. Davis, Godwin, Boyd, Fuller, J. Gordon, Gallup
TE: Mike Gesicki, Vance McDonald

12 Team. Superflex. TE Premium. PPR. (QB, SF, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, TE)
QB: Wilson, Ryan, Eli, Fitzpatrick
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Ekelar, I. Smith, D. Lewis, Gio
WR: Hill, Evans, KA, Metcalf, M. Brown, Whiteside, Agholor, D. Robinson
TE: McDonald, Reed, Hurst, Everett

12 team. PPR. Superflex.
(1 QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 2 WR, 3 Flex, TE)
QB: Luck, Wilson, Lock, Fitzpatrick
RB: Joe Mixon, Josh Jacobs, D. Lewis, J. Richard
WR: Mike Evans, Hill, Cooks, M.Brown, Gallup, Ross, Richardson
TE: Kelce, Everett, Smith

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Re: Sony Michel value

Postby ArrylT » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:02 pm

Well the Patriots certainly made use of him this week in the rain - although I suppose PPC leagues have more benefit than a PPR league. Regardless I seem to recall that Michel was considered better by some over Chubb as a receiver - so it goes to show that sometimes situation can change that.

College
Michel - 64 receptions in 47 NCAA games
Chubb - 31 receptions in 47 NCAA games

NFL
Michel - 16 receptions & 26 targets in 24 games
Chubb - 50 receptions & 70 targets in 27 games
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Re: Sony Michel value

Postby QB Browns » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:40 pm

Just to chime in, I swapped Garoppolo and Brian Hill for Michel in sig. I get that he's been frustrating but he's also a starting RB in only his 2nd season with a very intelligent coaching staff. It seems hard to believe that they won't get him going at some point soon.
10 team, 2 QB, 3 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1WR/TE, 1 RB/WR/TE, K, DEF, .5 ppr

QB: C. Newton, C. Wentz, D. Prescott, S. Darnold, B. Mayfield, J. Rosen

RB: A. Kamara, S. Barkley, M. Ingram, S. Michel, C. Carson, R. Mostert, D. Thompson

WR: M. Evans, M. Thomas, D. Adams, K. Allen, A. Robinson, A. Miller, H. Butler, M. Boykin, P. Williams

TE: D. Waller, W. Dissly, J. Sternberger

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:39 am

Jigga94 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:11 am
Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am
FYI - DLF trade analyzer has Michel worth a hair more than a 2020 mid first. We all have different player values & that's good. It's hard to find an RB getting his volume, even if he's not very efficient. He's show the ability to explode. Just watch last year's playoffs.
Nice. Well I'll let you know when a leaguemate is ready to give me any 1st for him
It's the wrong year to try buying firsts unfortunately

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Re: Sony Michel

Postby ebsteelers » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:06 pm

Ray Finkle wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am
Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am
FYI - DLF trade analyzer has Michel worth a hair more than a 2020 mid first. We all have different player values & that's good. It's hard to find an RB getting his volume, even if he's not very efficient. He's show the ability to explode. Just watch last year's playoffs.
Very rational post and those are the reasons he’ll remain on my roster. Just sucks having a RB who gets 15+ carries per game, has a respectable 7 tds on the season and it still hurts to put him in my starting lineup.
agree with this. granted 3 of those were in one game... but he is so dependent on touchdowns it makes it uncomfortable having him in the lineup if he isnt scoring on the goal line.

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Re: Sony Michel value

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:57 pm

The Patriots just got their starting left tackle Isaiah Wynn back healthy. NE's upcoming schedule:

Week 13 - HOU
Week 14 - KC
Week 15 - CIN
Week 16 - BUF
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12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers, Ryan Tannehill
RB: Christian McCaffrey, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Tyler Lockett, Darius Slayton
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Re: Sony Michel value

Postby Portsmouth Spartans » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:39 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:57 pm
The Patriots just got their starting left tackle Isaiah Wynn back healthy. NE's upcoming schedule:

Week 13 - HOU
Week 14 - KC
Week 15 - CIN
Week 16 - BUF
I bought him before week 12 because of this schedule. Feels like he is a smart buy for contending, RB-needy teams... doesn't cost an arm and a leg with most owners frustrated, has solid playoff matchups, and you can probably flip him for decent value in the offseason. As long as you think can get equal value back in offseason, you're essentially renting a potential RB1 (based off schedule) for free.
10 team standard, keeper with 5-year option contracts (remaining years in parentheses, $5 per additional year when extended), $200 salary cap. Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE
2015, 2017 Champs

QB: Jackson ($8 3yr+extension)
RB: Mixon ($5 1yr+extension), Chubb ($5 2yr+extension), Sanders ($5 3yr+ extension), Michel ($5 1yr+extension), Guice ($5 2yr+extension)
WR: Hopkins ($136 final yr), Godwin ($1 2yr+extension), AJ Brown ($3 3yr+extension), Chark ($8 3yr+extension), M. Brown ($3 3y +extension), Isabella ($3 3yr+ extension)
TE: Kittle ($3, 2yr+extension), Henry ($1 2yr+extension), Goedert ($1 3yr+extension)

2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 2.01, 2.04, 2.10
2021: 1 1st
2022: 2 1st
2023: 1 1st


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