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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby nathanq42 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:05 pm

trader_nation wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:38 am
He got dropped after that game. You guys wanted to know why he no longer stats, I showed you. NFL Rbs aren't allowed to jog. If you believe he doesn't start because cliff likes having chats with him on the sideline, or because they start their rbs based on star signs you are welcome to believe that. After that Bucs games even DJ had to address his poor performance in the media, don't ask me watch the game. When a former pro bowler gets benched try watching their last game rather than jumping up and down saying 'where is the evidence! Where is the evidence!'
They kind of have to jog some times to let the blocks setup though.. patience + vision is very important in finding the lanes, if DJ sprints all play everyplay he will miss the running lanes that open up as the play goes on as he sprints to the sideline (and runs out of room to cut up field) on an outside run, or he will get right up into the line of scrimmage on an inside run and get stuffed
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby IZigUZag » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:33 pm

nathanq42 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:05 pm
trader_nation wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:38 am
He got dropped after that game. You guys wanted to know why he no longer stats, I showed you. NFL Rbs aren't allowed to jog. If you believe he doesn't start because cliff likes having chats with him on the sideline, or because they start their rbs based on star signs you are welcome to believe that. After that Bucs games even DJ had to address his poor performance in the media, don't ask me watch the game. When a former pro bowler gets benched try watching their last game rather than jumping up and down saying 'where is the evidence! Where is the evidence!'
They kind of have to jog some times to let the blocks setup though.. patience + vision is very important in finding the lanes, if DJ sprints all play everyplay he will miss the running lanes that open up as the play goes on as he sprints to the sideline (and runs out of room to cut up field) on an outside run, or he will get right up into the line of scrimmage on an inside run and get stuffed
David Johnson playing through back injuries and a high ankle sprain might have something to do with it. You know who else is playing badly because they had a high ankle sprain earlier this year? Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, Tevin Coleman.

Right now, he's clearly not their best running back... We'll see how he looks after an off-season of recovery

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby alewilliam789 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm

PR0v3 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:52 am
trader_nation wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:38 am
He got dropped after that game. You guys wanted to know why he no longer stats, I showed you. If you believe he doesn't start because cliff likes having chats with him on the sideline you are welcome to believe that.
Yea I don't get the DJ truthers at this point. He's 28 years old and has been playing football for the last 10+ years. He's just not that dude anymore. It's a violent game, and you have to be at the absolute peak of human physical performance to be a highly relevant fantasy RB. If you aren't, someone else will take your spot. He isn't doing anything that any other guy can't do at this point in his career, so he rides the bench. He slipped, and now he's just a name. It's football, that's how it works.
That’s weird. It’s like you are talking if he wasn’t a top 12 back in the beginning of the year over 5+ games
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QB - Watson, Prescott, Carr
WR - Courtland Sutton, Michael Gallup, AJ Brown, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, John Brown, Andy Isabella, Josh Reynolds
RB - Miles Sanders
TE - T.J. Hockenson, I Thomas, J. Oliver

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Record: 6-7
QB: Rivers, Wentz, Lock
RB: David Johnson, Mixon, Hyde
WR: Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, AJ Green, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Josh Reynolds, Andy Isabella
TE: Kittle, OJ Howard, Chris Herndon

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2020-
1st and 3rd

12 Owner 1 PPR (1st Season) 1QB 1-3 RB 1-3 WR 1-2 TE
1 K 1D/ST — 20 man rosters
Record: 7-6
QB: Mahomes, Stafford
RB: Chubb, Guice, Penny, Duke Johnson, Darrell Henderson
WR: Landry, Sutton, Marvin Jones, Harry, Crowder, Josh Reynolds
TE: Hooper, Goedert

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby Chwf3rd » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:26 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm
PR0v3 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:52 am
trader_nation wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:38 am
He got dropped after that game. You guys wanted to know why he no longer stats, I showed you. If you believe he doesn't start because cliff likes having chats with him on the sideline you are welcome to believe that.
Yea I don't get the DJ truthers at this point. He's 28 years old and has been playing football for the last 10+ years. He's just not that dude anymore. It's a violent game, and you have to be at the absolute peak of human physical performance to be a highly relevant fantasy RB. If you aren't, someone else will take your spot. He isn't doing anything that any other guy can't do at this point in his career, so he rides the bench. He slipped, and now he's just a name. It's football, that's how it works.
That’s weird. It’s like you are talking if he wasn’t a top 12 back in the beginning of the year over 5+ games
You’re going to be left holding the bag
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QB: MRyan, PRivers
RB: AKamara, JMixon, DHenderson, LMcCoy, RArmstead, TPollard
WR: ACooper, SDiggs, CSamuel, AJGreen, SWatkins, AMiller, DiJohnson, ZPascal
TE: MAndrews, ISmith, KWarring
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WR: DAdams, MEvans, SDiggs, DSamuel, SWatkins, MHardman, GAllison
TE: JDoyle, TBurton, DKnox, DFells, KWarring
Record: 6-4
Picks: 1, 2, 2

Team 3 - 12 team, PPR, 2QB, 2TE
QB: DWatson, CWentz, MStafford, DJones, ALuck
RB: NChubb, DMontgomery, SMichel, KDrake, CHyde, TJohnson, MWalton, KBallage, CThompson, JDMcKissic, QOllison
WR: THill, DAdams, SDiggs, DSamuel, PCampbell, DiJohnson, JCrowder, JWashington, ALazard, ATate
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:31 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm

That’s weird. It’s like you are talking if he wasn’t a top 12 back in the beginning of the year over 5+ games
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby PR0v3 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:32 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm
PR0v3 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:52 am
trader_nation wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:38 am
He got dropped after that game. You guys wanted to know why he no longer stats, I showed you. If you believe he doesn't start because cliff likes having chats with him on the sideline you are welcome to believe that.
Yea I don't get the DJ truthers at this point. He's 28 years old and has been playing football for the last 10+ years. He's just not that dude anymore. It's a violent game, and you have to be at the absolute peak of human physical performance to be a highly relevant fantasy RB. If you aren't, someone else will take your spot. He isn't doing anything that any other guy can't do at this point in his career, so he rides the bench. He slipped, and now he's just a name. It's football, that's how it works.
That’s weird. It’s like you are talking if he wasn’t a top 12 back in the beginning of the year over 5+ games
He was playing 80% of snaps and receiving 20 touches a game through the first 5 games. There are probably 30+ RBs in the league who could be top-12 with that usage. You don't keep that role without the tape to match, however, and DJ doesn't have it.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:37 pm

It's funny how the common narrative around this forum is that older RBs are not be trusted or valued highly, and yet at the same time this same narrative doesn't seem to apply to DJ.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:48 pm

IZigUZag wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:33 pm
David Johnson playing through back injuries and a high ankle sprain might have something to do with it. You know who else is playing badly because they had a high ankle sprain earlier this year? Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, Tevin Coleman.

Right now, he's clearly not their best running back... We'll see how he looks after an off-season of recovery
Barkley & Kamara have earned the benefit of doubt based on past production ... it's been 3 years since Johnson has provide feature back production. And I don't see any chance that Coleman assumes a feature back role in SF.

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|RB| A. Kamara, J. Jacobs, J. Mixon, L. Murray, R. Anderson (IR)
|WR| C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, D.K. Metcalf, M. Gallup, , J. Ross, Da. Moore
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby alewilliam789 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:43 pm

Forza_Azzurri wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:48 pm
IZigUZag wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:33 pm
David Johnson playing through back injuries and a high ankle sprain might have something to do with it. You know who else is playing badly because they had a high ankle sprain earlier this year? Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, Tevin Coleman.

Right now, he's clearly not their best running back... We'll see how he looks after an off-season of recovery
Barkley & Kamara have earned the benefit of doubt based on past production ... it's been 3 years since Johnson has provide feature back production. And I don't see any chance that Coleman assumes a feature back role in SF.
DJ was a top 15 RB last year on a absolutely horrid team. What are you talking about?

Edit: Let me correct myself. He was actually RB9 in 2018 in PPR. Year before he broke his hand. So whenever he’s been given the touches he’s been a top 12 RB in the league. This year was on pace again for top 10 RB numbers before injury and Kliff Kingbury.
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Record: 7-6
QB - Watson, Prescott, Carr
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RB - Miles Sanders
TE - T.J. Hockenson, I Thomas, J. Oliver

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12 Owner 1 PPR (3rd Season) 1QB, 2WR, 1RB, 1TE, 1 FLEX, 1K, 1 DEF -- 20 man roster
Record: 6-7
QB: Rivers, Wentz, Lock
RB: David Johnson, Mixon, Hyde
WR: Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, AJ Green, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Josh Reynolds, Andy Isabella
TE: Kittle, OJ Howard, Chris Herndon

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1st and 3rd

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1 K 1D/ST — 20 man rosters
Record: 7-6
QB: Mahomes, Stafford
RB: Chubb, Guice, Penny, Duke Johnson, Darrell Henderson
WR: Landry, Sutton, Marvin Jones, Harry, Crowder, Josh Reynolds
TE: Hooper, Goedert

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby alewilliam789 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:53 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:37 pm
It's funny how the common narrative around this forum is that older RBs are not be trusted or valued highly, and yet at the same time this same narrative doesn't seem to apply to DJ.
Well one just because he’s been benched doesn’t mean he wasn’t produce or isn’t producing. He had a TD, 30 yards receiving, and like 12 yards rushing on only 4-5 total touches last week. I don’t know how that in any way shows a decline especially with his trends in scoring he’s put up thus far.

The biggest argument to make that DJ isn’t just falling off the face of the Earth is from his touch count. There’s a threshold between 1,800 to 2,000+ touches for RBs that have had multiple top 12 PPR seasons at a certain SPARQ score where they begin to decline. I think DJ is at like 1,200-1,400 and has had very little wear this year.
No knee injuries yet. The back injury is a little worrying and I’m sure the high ankle sprain has sapped him.
So right now your guy’s age of 28, 28, 28, 28 that has constantly being repeated to me as why there’s zero chance DJ is worth anything is irrelevant and ridiculous. Freaking Frank Gore is like 35 and nobody will sit here and say that Gore has looked better than DJ the last few years.
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RB - Miles Sanders
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2020-
4 1sts, 5 2nds, and a 3rd


12 Owner 1 PPR (3rd Season) 1QB, 2WR, 1RB, 1TE, 1 FLEX, 1K, 1 DEF -- 20 man roster
Record: 6-7
QB: Rivers, Wentz, Lock
RB: David Johnson, Mixon, Hyde
WR: Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, AJ Green, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Josh Reynolds, Andy Isabella
TE: Kittle, OJ Howard, Chris Herndon

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2020-
1st and 3rd

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Record: 7-6
QB: Mahomes, Stafford
RB: Chubb, Guice, Penny, Duke Johnson, Darrell Henderson
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:09 pm

RB "touches" is a completely overrated and irrelevant stat with no real bearing on anything, DJ is not a younger player just because he's touched the ball fewer times due to being old coming into the league and missing a ton of time the last few years due to injury. He's a good player who will probably have solid stretches again that will bring all his diehard fanboys out to say "I told you so", but he'll go back to being a near non-entity again soon after and once again bitterly disappoint his owners.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:19 pm

alewilliam789 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:43 pm
Forza_Azzurri wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:48 pm
IZigUZag wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:33 pm
David Johnson playing through back injuries and a high ankle sprain might have something to do with it. You know who else is playing badly because they had a high ankle sprain earlier this year? Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, Tevin Coleman.

Right now, he's clearly not their best running back... We'll see how he looks after an off-season of recovery
Barkley & Kamara have earned the benefit of doubt based on past production ... it's been 3 years since Johnson has provide feature back production. And I don't see any chance that Coleman assumes a feature back role in SF.
DJ was a top 15 RB last year on a absolutely horrid team. What are you talking about?

Edit: Let me correct myself. He was actually RB9 in 2018 in PPR. Year before he broke his hand. So whenever he’s been given the touches he’s been a top 12 RB in the league. This year was on pace again for top 10 RB numbers before injury and Kliff Kingbury.
Evidently, the coaching staff doesn't feel DJ is producing what they want with those touches at the moment. As someone who has DJ on a team, I'd love for him to get a starting gig again, but I also think he is a very, very average runner at this point. I think he is still a plus receiver, and think if anything, he should be utilized more in than vein.
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby alewilliam789 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:33 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:09 pm
RB "touches" is a completely overrated and irrelevant stat with no real bearing on anything, DJ is not a younger player just because he's touched the ball fewer times due to being old coming into the league and missing a ton of time the last few years due to injury. He's a good player who will probably have solid stretches again that will bring all his diehard fanboys out to say "I told you so", but he'll go back to being a near non-entity again soon after and once again bitterly disappoint his owners.
How is it completely overrated? I literally grabbed the top 12 RB producers over their career that had multiple top 12 seasons and mapped how many touches they had until their production completely dropped off. The low end was 1,800 touches. I’m not sure how you can say it’s completely overrated when touches have a clear trend in how much workload top RBs can carry before dropping off.

I mean it’s not like that after 27 they just automatically become shriveled up and forget how to run the football
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QB - Watson, Prescott, Carr
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RB - Miles Sanders
TE - T.J. Hockenson, I Thomas, J. Oliver

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12 Owner 1 PPR (3rd Season) 1QB, 2WR, 1RB, 1TE, 1 FLEX, 1K, 1 DEF -- 20 man roster
Record: 6-7
QB: Rivers, Wentz, Lock
RB: David Johnson, Mixon, Hyde
WR: Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, AJ Green, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Josh Reynolds, Andy Isabella
TE: Kittle, OJ Howard, Chris Herndon

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2020-
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12 Owner 1 PPR (1st Season) 1QB 1-3 RB 1-3 WR 1-2 TE
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Record: 7-6
QB: Mahomes, Stafford
RB: Chubb, Guice, Penny, Duke Johnson, Darrell Henderson
WR: Landry, Sutton, Marvin Jones, Harry, Crowder, Josh Reynolds
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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby MrUbuto » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:36 pm

I'm actually not really worried about DJ at all. He has nothing to play for right now and is in a new system. I would actually be shocked if he WASN'T a top 10 back next year.

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Re: Code Red Panic- David Johnson

Postby FantasyFreak » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:49 am

MrUbuto wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:36 pm
I'm actually not really worried about DJ at all. He has nothing to play for right now and is in a new system. I would actually be shocked if he WASN'T a top 10 back next year.

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I would be shocked if he was. A lot depends on whether the Cards re sign Drake, but DJ is such an average runner of the football, I don't think he gets the carries he once did, again. His receiving skills are still there, but that's it.
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