I've been hearing from many sites that Goff is the real deal. Even Williamson from Football guys has said that he has him higher than Winston or Mariota.
Since this draft is a lot weaker than normal, and most guys being drafted in the early 1st are considered late 1st guys in a normal draft, I'm wondering if the right move would be to draft Goff at the end of the 1st round. His ADP is mid second, but I'm wondering if the right move is to zag when everyone else is zigging.
Curious what the forum thinks.
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Litesout13
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Re: Goff
I wouldnt. QBs are not nearly as valuable in fantasy as they are in real life. I would rather have the upside of a WR/RB you can grab at the same spot
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Re: Goff
I briefly (very briefly) subscribed to FBG emails a few years back and found that their analysis was pretty far off of my own valuations. Good to know that not much has changed.KREsketch wrote:Even Williamson from Football guys has said that he has him higher than Winston or Mariota.
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Re: Goff
Check your league scoring, in one of my leagues the top 12 were QBs. Granted, you can only start one QB, but make sure you have a good one- Kirk Cousins out scored Freeman- the first non QB. Number 1 was Can who was 9 pts better per game than Cousins.
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Cousins/ Bell, Langford, Williams/ Beckham, K Allen, Moncrief, Parker/ Kelce
Quinn, Jackson, Lawrence/ TSmith, EKendricks, Dansby, Hicks/ Burnett
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Brees, Flacco, Bridgewater, Goff/ Lacy, Abdullah, Yeldon, Ajayi, D.Washington, McKinnon, KRobinson/ Moncrief,DBG, K Bell, TBenjamin, Montgomery, Wright, Agholor, Sanu, Latimer, Sharpe/ Hooper, Ertz, Rodgers
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Re: Goff
It's all about points above replacement though, comparing positional scoring between separate positions isn't the whole equation. I'd much rather have the potential of a WR2/RB2 then a mid tier QB.Injured Reserve wrote:Check your league scoring, in one of my leagues the top 12 were QBs. Granted, you can only start one QB, but make sure you have a good one- Kirk Cousins out scored Freeman- the first non QB. Number 1 was Can who was 9 pts better per game than Cousins.
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Re: Goff
The chances that Fisher stays for Goff's career are pretty much zero.lawilt wrote:If Fisher wasn't his coach I'd be a lot higher on him.
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Re: Goff
Changing systems early in his career would not be good for Goff, or any QB.Cameron Giles wrote:The chances that Fisher stays for Goff's career are pretty much zero.lawilt wrote:If Fisher wasn't his coach I'd be a lot higher on him.
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Re: Goff
I have no problem with you taking him late 1st if you think he's the bpa. I rather have a stud QB who you trust rather than a bust WR who everyone else told you to take ... IMO though he isn't a stud. JMO though
Re: Goff
lawilt wrote:If Fisher wasn't his coach I'd be a lot higher on him.
that's crazy talk in dynasty. the kid could have 2 new coaches in the next 4 years.it's the nfl.
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Re: Goff
I'd have no issue taking Goff or even Wentz (not a fan) towards the end of the first round considering this draft class.KREsketch wrote:I've been hearing from many sites that Goff is the real deal. Even Williamson from Football guys has said that he has him higher than Winston or Mariota.
Since this draft is a lot weaker than normal, and most guys being drafted in the early 1st are considered late 1st guys in a normal draft, I'm wondering if the right move would be to draft Goff at the end of the 1st round. His ADP is mid second, but I'm wondering if the right move is to zag when everyone else is zigging.
Curious what the forum thinks.
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Re: Goff
I think it's inevitable. There's no way Fisher lasts another season if the Rams suck, especially after they just moved to L.A.ericanadian wrote: Changing systems early in his career would not be good for Goff, or any QB.
Re: Goff
Stan Kroenke is a very patient owner though, when transitioning ownership of the Denver Nuggets to his son they retained George Karl for years in order to make sure they had every detail organized and accounted for before letting him go. It's conceivable that he could be more patient with Fischer then most would assume as he his going to be re-tooling the brand in the NFL's biggest market. He also obviously doesn't listen to a lot of the fandom pressure out there or he wouldn't have had such an easy time moving the team out of his home state. Kroenke does what is best for business not what most believe his intentions should be.Cameron Giles wrote:I think it's inevitable. There's no way Fisher lasts another season if the Rams suck, especially after they just moved to L.A.ericanadian wrote: Changing systems early in his career would not be good for Goff, or any QB.
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Goff - Time to Be Worried?
Pretty dismal preseason but I feel his stats aren't doing him justice (believe he's had anywhere from 9-12 drops from how you view it) and has consistently been playing with the 2s and 3s. While it may not be the outcome people were expecting or hoping for, do you think its best for him to sit? Not a discussion on who's better or will be better, (Wentz, Lynch, Dak, etc.) just more casual conversation about this guy.