Week 10 Discussion

[Blueboy]

Ok now there's not. Jesus, Rivers.

[Mike from Canada]

Rivers looks bad but he also had no time.

[Forza_Azzurri]

Is Richard really that much more dynamic than Jacobs catching the ball?

You’d think they’d want their best guy out there is this situation

Its about time!

Well apparently until that drive it was more important to save Jacobs for our fantasy playoffs than winning the game.

[alewilliam789]

Whoever that Chargers right tackle is deserves to be cut in the locker room. Has to be one of the worst performances I’ve seen from an O-lineman in awhile. He basically let Crosby take shots on Rivers all night

[Mike from Canada]

It seems that the offensive line is important to win football games.

[Ice]

Jacobs is looking more and more like offensive ROY.

That kid can really play.

[FantasyFreak]

Jacobs is looking more and more like offensive ROY.

That kid can really play.

A few people here questioned a few short yard 3rd down runs by the Raiders out of shotgun earlier in the game. I agreed with them. When the Raiders got to 3rd and 1 on that last drive, completing a pass out of a passing formation, I was screaming for a TO. Apparently so was Gruden. 4 down territiorty, get the big boys out there with the FB and Jacobs and take 2 shots at it. They only needed 1, and it was TD.

The thing I liked most, as a Raiders fan, was the team aspect of that extra point miss. It was the first of his career. The lineman still gave him a head bump, and guys were on the sidelines patting him on the back. The D stepped up, and the offense was on the sidelines doing everything they could to get the crowd going. That is the sign of a team who wants to play for each other, and indicative of good coaching. Everyone wanted to trash Gruden when he came back. Half way through the 2nd year of a totally overhauled roster, in which almost every draft pick Mayock/Gruden took together are already significantly contributing, I think people need to eat a bit of humble pie. Those that dogged him for no good reason.

[bjd5211]

It seems that the offensive line is important to win football games.

And the one premium pick the Chargers have spent on an OL in recent years (Forrest Lamp 38th overall 2017) looks like a complete bust. It shows... Absolutely blows my mind how many teams do not value building the OL.

[Phaded]

Whoever that Chargers right tackle is deserves to be cut in the locker room. Has to be one of the worst performances I’ve seen from an O-lineman in awhile. He basically let Crosby take shots on Rivers all night

Obviously I'm not a Chargers fan - but he's a tackle who is in due to injury. It happens.

Also it continues to be obvious that Jacobs is the best skill position player on that offense. It'll be fun when they get him more involving in the passing game.

[Dibbles]

Finally went to Jacobs on 3rd & short and he scored a TD. Jacobs does have 3 receptions for 30 yards and 5 targets tonight, but the Raiders' tendency to go to Richard in passing situations is probably the one thing that's keeping me from moving Jacobs into the 2nd tier of RBs right now.

I agree, very frustrating in his passing usage, I’ve watched Richard poach passing targets since I owned Latavius years ago and I’m frankly astonished that he’s now stealing ample targets from Jacobs, I just dont get it. He must frequently run for 50+ yard td’s on dumpoffs in practice because I’ve never in 5+ years seen him turn in an amazing stat line (outside of some pure garbage volume stat lines) - whereas Jacobs continues to wow on both rushing and receiving plays. Definitely worrisome for moving Jacobs to a higher tier.

[Dibbles]

On another topic, how are people feeing about Kittle playing Mon night? Bit concerned with new ankle issue . . .

[Shcritters]

On another topic, how are people feeing about Kittle playing Mon night? Bit concerned with new ankle issue . . .

Concerned enough that in my TE super-premium league I picked up his backup (and I don’t even have Kittle)! The TE position in that O gets a lot of looks.

[FantasyFreak]

Finally went to Jacobs on 3rd & short and he scored a TD. Jacobs does have 3 receptions for 30 yards and 5 targets tonight, but the Raiders' tendency to go to Richard in passing situations is probably the one thing that's keeping me from moving Jacobs into the 2nd tier of RBs right now.

I agree, very frustrating in his passing usage, I’ve watched Richard poach passing targets since I owned Latavius years ago and I’m frankly astonished that he’s now stealing ample targets from Jacobs, I just dont get it. He must frequently run for 50+ yard td’s on dumpoffs in practice because I’ve never in 5+ years seen him turn in an amazing stat line (outside of some pure garbage volume stat lines) - whereas Jacobs continues to wow on both rushing and receiving plays. Definitely worrisome for moving Jacobs to a higher tier.

Because he's a legit 3rd down back. Long time Raiders fan. Richard is the better option on passing downs to Jacobs. It's pretty obvious. He's quicker in the open field, can run wheel routes better, get open and create separation better on shorter routes, when the pass rush is coming. He also has better hands. Jacobs has good hands, but he dropped his only 2 targets last week, and double clutched one tonight that should have been caught cleanly. Don't pretend to know more than the coaches. Jalen is a really good pass catching back. He didn't have 68 receptions for no reason last year. If you had watched last weeks game vs the Lions, you wouldn't be asking why Richard is "poaching" passing targets from Jacobs. It's because he's better at it right now.

I have Jacobs in multiple leagues, but he is playing with a shoulder injury, on a short week, and he fits the team better as a runner, and the way they run their offense. Doesn't mean his role won't eventually expand, Gruden says it will, but look at Chubb last year, to this year. Same with Fournette. Don't move Jacobs up in your ranking at your own peril, but he's a 21 year old Bell cow with a 3 down skill set, but there are situtions where a smaller, quicker, shiftier back with even better receiving skills is still warranted. Especially when Jacobs can get a breather and then break off the winning TD run deep into the 4th quarter, because he still has some juice left. He had 28 carries 4 days ago. Realize context.

[lukkynumber13]

Melvin Gordon - NOT terrible at playing the football sport.

[Dibbles]

Finally went to Jacobs on 3rd & short and he scored a TD. Jacobs does have 3 receptions for 30 yards and 5 targets tonight, but the Raiders' tendency to go to Richard in passing situations is probably the one thing that's keeping me from moving Jacobs into the 2nd tier of RBs right now.

I agree, very frustrating in his passing usage, I’ve watched Richard poach passing targets since I owned Latavius years ago and I’m frankly astonished that he’s now stealing ample targets from Jacobs, I just dont get it. He must frequently run for 50+ yard td’s on dumpoffs in practice because I’ve never in 5+ years seen him turn in an amazing stat line (outside of some pure garbage volume stat lines) - whereas Jacobs continues to wow on both rushing and receiving plays. Definitely worrisome for moving Jacobs to a higher tier.

Because he's a legit 3rd down back. Long time Raiders fan. Richard is the better option on passing downs to Jacobs. It's pretty obvious. He's quicker in the open field, can run wheel routes better, get open and create separation better on shorter routes, when the pass rush is coming. He also has better hands. Jacobs has good hands, but he dropped his only 2 targets last week, and double clutched one tonight that should have been caught cleanly. Don't pretend to know more than the coaches. Jalen is a really good pass catching back. He didn't have 68 receptions for no reason last year. If you had watched last weeks game vs the Lions, you wouldn't be asking why Richard is "poaching" passing targets from Jacobs. It's because he's better at it right now.

I have Jacobs in multiple leagues, but he is playing with a shoulder injury, on a short week, and he fits the team better as a runner, and the way they run their offense. Doesn't mean his role won't eventually expand, Gruden says it will, but look at Chubb last year, to this year. Same with Fournette. Don't move Jacobs up in your ranking at your own peril, but he's a 21 year old Bell cow with a 3 down skill set, but there are situtions where a smaller, quicker, shiftier back with even better receiving skills is still warranted. Especially when Jacobs can get a breather and then break off the winning TD run deep into the 4th quarter, because he still has some juice left. He had 28 carries 4 days ago. Realize context.

Thanks for the advice, I know nothing about football context. I do know however that over his 4 year career, Richard has had 177 targets, 142 receptions, a whopping 1,200 yards receiving, a whopping 3 TD’s receiving, and a healthy 13 fumbles. As a long time Raiders fan, I would guess you’d be cursing the Gods about why this supposed “superior pass catching back” is dominating critical touches when his actual production and impact on team results has been dreadful. The Raiders haven’t been the least bit successful in 4 years and neither has he. If you are saying the Raiders have a better chance at success giving him passing down touches over Jacobs, you should be prepared to enjoy another 10-15 years of peril being a Raiders fan.