Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:57 pm

IBall2 wrote:
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I asked for a first for Cooks last week and he made me feel like I was asking for one of his children.
I think the days of getting a 1st round pick for Cooks are long gone. I've been shopping him over the past month and haven't even been able to get a 2nd for him. Most people just tell me they would rather not own him.
I couldn't get a 1st when he was healthy. Let alone now that people have a real reason to not pay for him
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - 14 Keepers
QB: Mahomes, Baker, D. Jones, Minshew, Luck
RB: Sony, D. Freeman, Penny, Mostert, Snell, J. Jackson, Hyde, Gaskin
WR: Tyreek, Julio, DJM, Hollywood, Cooks, C. Davis, Preston, Parris, MVS
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant, Irv
2020: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, 4.08

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RB: CMC, Jacobs, Hunt, Penny, J. Samuels, J. Jackson, Gaskin
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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby perkinsrooster » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm

He's only been a top 15 WR for three years in a row and he's still 26. Yet people would rather risk drafting the next Laquon Treadwell or Tajae Sharpe. What can you do.

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby mild » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:41 pm

perkinsrooster wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm
He's only been a top 15 WR for three years in a row and he's still 26. Yet people would rather risk drafting the next Laquon Treadwell or Tajae Sharpe. What can you do.
I think they'd actually rather draft Jerry Jeudy, Ceedee Lamb, Henry Ruggs and Laviska Shenault.

But what can you do.

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby PTW32 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:47 pm

I bought him last week but he was more of a throw in. MVS, current 2.03, current 2.04 for Cooks and current 1.01.

After the deal I offered him to just about every other owner for a 1st and was rejected by them all.

I'll just hold him and hope before trading him for a 2nd
12 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 2Flex

QB: Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston
RB: Dalvin Cook, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Royce Freeman, TJ Yeldon, Darwin Thompson, Alexander Mattison, Traveon Williams, Miles Gaskin, Bryce Love,
WR: Odell Beckham Jr., Chris Godwin, Kenny Golladay, Larry Fitzgerald, Jamison Crowder, Keke Coutee, Miles Boykin, Equanimeous St. Brown, Josh Doctson, Antonio Callaway
TE: Travis Kelce, George Kittle, O.J. Howard, Kahale Warring

2020 Picks: none


10 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex, 1K
QB: Baker Mayfeild, Drew Lock, Big Ben, Tom Brady
RB: Raheem Mostert, Gio Bernard, Frank Gore, Peyton Barber, Justin Jackson
WR: Stefan Diggs, Allen Robinson, Cortland Sutton, DK Metcalf, TreQuan Smith, Diontae Johnson, Dante Pettis, Andy Isabella, Albert Wilson, Adam Humphries
TE: Mark Andrews, David Njoku, Vance McDonald, Irv Smith Jr, Hayden Hurst, Delanie Walker

2020 Picks: 1.01,1.02,1.03,1.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby perkinsrooster » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:56 pm

mild wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:41 pm
perkinsrooster wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm
He's only been a top 15 WR for three years in a row and he's still 26. Yet people would rather risk drafting the next Laquon Treadwell or Tajae Sharpe. What can you do.
I think they'd actually rather draft Jerry Jeudy, Ceedee Lamb, Henry Ruggs and Laviska Shenault.

But what can you do.
All very promising high to mid to first round players, as were Corey Davis, Sammy Watkins, Knowshon Moreno, Bishop Sankey and Darren McFadden, but what can you do.

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby mild » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:00 pm

No doubt. But you've got to admit they've got less career questions than a diminutive deep threat in a devolving offense who's suffered his 2nd concussion in the past month and his 5th (known) concussion in 4 years.

I know who I'd rather be gambling on at this stage. #theGoffening

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby perkinsrooster » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:03 pm

I should have added that I was asking for a 2021 first, not a 2020. Still according to him I'm no better than a mugger waiting for unsuspecting pedestrians.

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:01 pm

perkinsrooster wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm
He's only been a top 15 WR for three years in a row and he's still 26. Yet people would rather risk drafting the next Laquon Treadwell or Tajae Sharpe. What can you do.
^^^^^^^ This guy gets it
12 Team PPR (PPR- QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, D, K)
QB- Winston
RB- Barkely, Cook, AP
WR- K. Allen, Hill, Diggs, Golladay, DJ Moore, Shepard, Enunwa, Callaway, Chark
TE- Kelce, Gesicki

10 Team .5 PPR. QB Premium. Added Big Play Points (QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 FLEX (non qb), D, K)
QB- Brees, Mayfield, Prescott
RB- Barkley, Cook, Dixon, I. Smith
WR- OBJ, D. Adams, Evans, B. Cooks, Kupp, C. Davis, Godwin, Boyd, Fuller, J. Gordon, Gallup
TE: Mike Gesicki, Vance McDonald

12 Team. Superflex. TE Premium. PPR. (QB, SF, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, TE)
QB: Wilson, Ryan, Eli, Fitzpatrick
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Ekelar, I. Smith, D. Lewis, Gio
WR: Hill, Evans, KA, Metcalf, M. Brown, Whiteside, Agholor, D. Robinson
TE: McDonald, Reed, Hurst, Everett

12 team. PPR. Superflex.
(1 QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 2 WR, 3 Flex, TE)
QB: Luck, Wilson, Lock, Fitzpatrick
RB: Joe Mixon, Josh Jacobs, D. Lewis, J. Richard
WR: Mike Evans, Hill, Cooks, M.Brown, Gallup, Ross, Richardson
TE: Kelce, Everett, Smith

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby Vcize » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 pm

JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:01 pm
perkinsrooster wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm
He's only been a top 15 WR for three years in a row and he's still 26. Yet people would rather risk drafting the next Laquon Treadwell or Tajae Sharpe. What can you do.
^^^^^^^ This guy gets it
The biggest mistake people make in noting rookie busts and rookie bust rate is ignoring vet busts and veteran bust rate.

It's not like you were doing a ton better than Laquon Treadwell if instead of drafting him you traded that pick for Kelvin Benjamin or Jordan Mathews or Jordy Nelson or Michael Floyd, all of whom were being drafted around the same spot as him in startup ADP (as an approximation of what vets that rookie picks was worth).

Once you get outside the top 25 or so dynasty players the bust rate of vets is ENORMOUS.

Heck look at the 2nd/3rd round of startups from 2 years ago and the best players right now, by far, are the guys who were being drafted there as rookies. OMG you took Christian McCaffrey over Jay Ajayi, a proven 1000+ yard rusher? You took Dalvin Cook over Lamar Miller, a 26 year old workhorse back with 3 really good seasons?

If anything, Cooks has more risk right now than most vets that bust. He's tied long-term to a situation that does not fit him well and that he hasn't been performing well in for really more than a year now, and he has very very serious health concerns to boot. He is at least as risky as a random rookie right now, if not moreso.
Team 1 (12 team FFPC)
QB: Wentz
RB: Cook, A Jones, Mixon, Kerryon, Hunt, Hill, Drake
WR: OBJ, Lockett, ARob, Woods, ARob, Preston
TE: Howard, Cook, Goedert, Njoku, Knox

Team 2 (12 team PPR, q/r/r/w/w/w/f/t/k/d)
QB: Wilson, Dak
RB: Fournette, Kamara, Michel, Kerryon, Blount
WR: Beckham, Thielen, Enunwa, M Williams, Beasely, Amendola
TE: Eifert, Hooper, Gesicki

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby PR0v3 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:31 pm

Vcize wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 pm
JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:01 pm
perkinsrooster wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm
He's only been a top 15 WR for three years in a row and he's still 26. Yet people would rather risk drafting the next Laquon Treadwell or Tajae Sharpe. What can you do.
^^^^^^^ This guy gets it
The biggest mistake people make in noting rookie busts and rookie bust rate is ignoring vet busts and veteran bust rate.

It's not like you were doing a ton better than Laquon Treadwell if instead of drafting him you traded that pick for Kelvin Benjamin or Jordan Mathews or Jordy Nelson or Michael Floyd, all of whom were being drafted around the same spot as him in startup ADP (as an approximation of what vets that rookie picks was worth).

Once you get outside the top 25 or so dynasty players the bust rate of vets is ENORMOUS.

Heck look at the 2nd/3rd round of startups from 2 years ago and the best players right now, by far, are the guys who were being drafted there as rookies. OMG you took Christian McCaffrey over Jay Ajayi, a proven 1000+ yard rusher? You took Dalvin Cook over Lamar Miller, a 26 year old workhorse back with 3 really good seasons?

If anything, Cooks has more risk right now than most vets that bust. He's tied long-term to a situation that does not fit him well and that he hasn't been performing well in for really more than a year now, and he has very very serious health concerns to boot. He is at least as risky as a random rookie right now, if not moreso.
Agreed. Trade value isn’t based on the past, it is based on the future. You aren’t buying 4 straight 1000+ seasons with Cooks, you are buying Cooks from now on, and it is pretty clear that Cooks’ ability to continue producing 1000+ is not the same as what it was, for a variety of reasons.
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QB: Jimmy G
RB: Penny, Mattison
WR: K. Allen, Boyd, Hollywood, C. Samuel, Deebo, A. Miller, C. Davis, Washington, Ross, Pettis, Trequan
TE: Andrews, Gesicki, Everett, OJ
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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby Blueboy » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:40 pm

PTW32 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:47 pm
I bought him last week but he was more of a throw in. MVS, current 2.03, current 2.04 for Cooks and current 1.01.

After the deal I offered him to just about every other owner for a 1st and was rejected by them all.

I'll just hold him and hope before trading him for a 2nd
That deal is absurd.

12-team SF, PPR, TE Premium, 0.25 points per carry
1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 2Flex
QB: Murray, Mayfield, Haskins
RB: Guice, Snell, Love
WR: Hopkins, Metcalf, McLaurin, Hollywood, M. Williams, Slayton, Hardman, Isabella, T. Smith
TE: OJH, Hockenson, Hurst

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:54 pm

PTW32 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:47 pm
I bought him last week but he was more of a throw in. MVS, current 2.03, current 2.04 for Cooks and current 1.01.

After the deal I offered him to just about every other owner for a 1st and was rejected by them all.

I'll just hold him and hope before trading him for a 2nd
I'm fairly sure you're writing this post just to brag about your trade rape
TEAM A - 12 teams (2018 champ, 2017 R/U)
BREES, Jimmy G, Rivers, Haskins, Dalton, Keenum
COOK/JACOBS/GURLEY, Shady, Gio, Gallman, Ollison, D Washington, M Davis, Laird, Scarlett, Ware, Rodney A
NUK/HILL/EVANS/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Edelman, Alshon, Sammy, P Campbell, Wims, Dez, Hardy
KITTLE, Waller, Herndon, Sternberger, J Graham, Eifert
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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby PTW32 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:06 am

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:54 pm
PTW32 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:47 pm
I bought him last week but he was more of a throw in. MVS, current 2.03, current 2.04 for Cooks and current 1.01.

After the deal I offered him to just about every other owner for a 1st and was rejected by them all.

I'll just hold him and hope before trading him for a 2nd
I'm fairly sure you're writing this post just to brag about your trade rape
No, I was writing it to show how little some people value Cooks currently that I was basicly paid to take him off another owners hands.

But yes, after I accepted the offer I felt alittle dirty
12 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 2Flex

QB: Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston
RB: Dalvin Cook, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Royce Freeman, TJ Yeldon, Darwin Thompson, Alexander Mattison, Traveon Williams, Miles Gaskin, Bryce Love,
WR: Odell Beckham Jr., Chris Godwin, Kenny Golladay, Larry Fitzgerald, Jamison Crowder, Keke Coutee, Miles Boykin, Equanimeous St. Brown, Josh Doctson, Antonio Callaway
TE: Travis Kelce, George Kittle, O.J. Howard, Kahale Warring

2020 Picks: none


10 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex, 1K
QB: Baker Mayfeild, Drew Lock, Big Ben, Tom Brady
RB: Raheem Mostert, Gio Bernard, Frank Gore, Peyton Barber, Justin Jackson
WR: Stefan Diggs, Allen Robinson, Cortland Sutton, DK Metcalf, TreQuan Smith, Diontae Johnson, Dante Pettis, Andy Isabella, Albert Wilson, Adam Humphries
TE: Mark Andrews, David Njoku, Vance McDonald, Irv Smith Jr, Hayden Hurst, Delanie Walker

2020 Picks: 1.01,1.02,1.03,1.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby prinefan » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:01 am

PTW32 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:06 am
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:54 pm
PTW32 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:47 pm
I bought him last week but he was more of a throw in. MVS, current 2.03, current 2.04 for Cooks and current 1.01.

After the deal I offered him to just about every other owner for a 1st and was rejected by them all.

I'll just hold him and hope before trading him for a 2nd
I'm fairly sure you're writing this post just to brag about your trade rape
No, I was writing it to show how little some people value Cooks currently that I was basicly paid to take him off another owners hands.

But yes, after I accepted the offer I felt alittle dirty
Should have felt VERY dirty. I'm not one for proposing vetoing but that's ridiculous.

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Re: Brandin Cooks: It's time to be concerned.

Postby PTW32 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:45 am

prinefan wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:01 am
PTW32 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:06 am
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:54 pm
I'm fairly sure you're writing this post just to brag about your trade rape
No, I was writing it to show how little some people value Cooks currently that I was basicly paid to take him off another owners hands.

But yes, after I accepted the offer I felt alittle dirty
Should have felt VERY dirty. I'm not one for proposing vetoing but that's ridiculous.
For what its worth its the 1st year of the league and teams are pretty evenly matched so current 1.01 could pretty easily turn in to 1.05. Its also a league with IDP and you can only keep 16 so those 2nds should have extra value.

I know its still lopsided But I tjought id give so.e context.
12 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 2Flex

QB: Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston
RB: Dalvin Cook, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Royce Freeman, TJ Yeldon, Darwin Thompson, Alexander Mattison, Traveon Williams, Miles Gaskin, Bryce Love,
WR: Odell Beckham Jr., Chris Godwin, Kenny Golladay, Larry Fitzgerald, Jamison Crowder, Keke Coutee, Miles Boykin, Equanimeous St. Brown, Josh Doctson, Antonio Callaway
TE: Travis Kelce, George Kittle, O.J. Howard, Kahale Warring

2020 Picks: none


10 Team PPR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex, 1K
QB: Baker Mayfeild, Drew Lock, Big Ben, Tom Brady
RB: Raheem Mostert, Gio Bernard, Frank Gore, Peyton Barber, Justin Jackson
WR: Stefan Diggs, Allen Robinson, Cortland Sutton, DK Metcalf, TreQuan Smith, Diontae Johnson, Dante Pettis, Andy Isabella, Albert Wilson, Adam Humphries
TE: Mark Andrews, David Njoku, Vance McDonald, Irv Smith Jr, Hayden Hurst, Delanie Walker

2020 Picks: 1.01,1.02,1.03,1.04, 2.07, 2.08, 2.09


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